Learner driver in skyline doing 205km/h?!?!

[lukeskyline]

Ummm I take it ur all city people? Its just taken me over half an hour to read this entire thread and i finially relieased something...Im damn lucky to be livin in the country. Admittingly i dont exactly have a "high performance" vehicle (Stock R31 ) but if i wanna do somthing stupid all i have to do is go out the bush and go nuts for a while, get a bit "too" much sideways, scare the crap out of my self and i drove around slow for the next couple of weeks or so, remembering how close it was until i nearly wrapped it around a tree (its never happened so dont ask ). Until of course the confidence creeps up again, then its back out the bush .

Other than that everything said in here is valid one way or another. As for stopping us (P platers) doing stupid things? U can't, so instead give us oppurtunities to screw around...private properties, bush or even supervised runs at tracks. But of course this will only stop the majority of us doing stupid stuff and not the crazy ones on a death wise....also im all for driver training, but can never seem to find the money.

[Guest jimmyd17]

As for stopping us (P platers) doing stupid things? U can't, so instead give us oppurtunities to screw around...private properties, bush or even supervised runs at tracks. But of course this will only stop the majority of us doing stupid stuff and not the crazy ones on a death wise....also im all for driver training, but can never seem to find the money.

lukeskyline, i think thats a very good point you have made that no one has touched on thus far. If some emphasis was put on making places available to have our fun in a controlled environment, then that could very well help reduce excessive speeding on public roads. There would be really no want or need to do that if there were easy enough access to more tracks open.

The following points are what i believe would have the largest impact on making safer roads and reducing road deaths and injuries:

1. Compulsary Advanced Driver Training as part of a licence test. I think some of the millions upon millions of dollars raked in from fines should be spun around and put in to a safer road programme for newly licenced drivers because it is way too easy for anyone to get a licence these days.

2. More affordable tracks/places for people to drive fast in a controlled environment.

3. Less emphasis on harsh penalties for MINOR speeding offences. People tend to concentrate more on being under the speed limit than actually concentrating on traffic and driving.

4. Get rid of those damm traffic light speed cameras. The number of times i have seen accidents almost happen because people slam their brakes on in fear of being snapped a couple of k's over is rediculous. I think 'Red Light Cameras' are ok, but the speed cameras at intersections cause more problems than they solve.

5. No fixed speed cameras. Again, people tend to spend more time looking at their speedo than the road.

another 2 cents for the jar :headspin:

- James -

[Goon]

i was looking at purchasing a mate a few track days at eastern creek / oran park and apparently they wont let a p plater drive on the track. thats the main obstacle as to why its hard to get a track for p platers. secondly, it should be alot cheaper, as most p platers have to juggle uni fees, a job, and most of them are passionate about their cars and pour money into their cars. a combination of all these factors accumulates and eventually they dont have any money to spend on their trackdays.

[Guest jimmyd17]

Hmm that is quite strange. I don't understand why they wouldnt let P platers on the track. I was barely 16 just on my L's and out there doing laps at calder. If this is the case, that is rediculous. I think the government really needs to put some effort in to having more tracks available and affordable specifically for L and P platers.

[Pistolpete]

k a few things

bout better driver training, does ne1 know how to fly a Jumbo jet????

when u start off flying u can only fly light aircrafts,

u have to go through many stages of learning b 4 you can fly a jumbo. Why not apply the same princaple to the roads?

say everyone has to learn in the small car or low powerd sedan and pass to get say an A grade car licence

then to move up to a B class (higher powerd cars like a stock commy or falcon)

they must complete a more rigorous test and more advance training.

To get say a c class licence (high powered cars, turbo or lage capacity)they must take everything a step further. ie better training and the like

k sure its gonna coast allot more to get ur licnece to drive say a line but if anyone is serious about their cars such as enthusiasts like us (spelling?) they will spend the time to get it!!

this system will filterout heeps of unwanted ppl from high powerd cars, like daddys little boy in the r34GTR at 17 years of age. and the ppl who buy high powerd cars just cause they can and hoon them abround all the time.

Also the time it takes to get the 'C' class licence will enable the new P plater to spend more time on the road and get more experience driving b 4 they get into a high powered car, and when they do get their Line they will appreciate it more as well as b far far far better drivers than otherwise.

Some ppl wil hate me 4 this but i reken that insurence should get into ti aswell perhaps they will agree wiht the goverment to only insure highpowered cars if the registered driver/s have 'c' class licences.

cerfews (spelling) wont work and are just plain freaking stupid! what if a new p plater has to drive his sick sister to the hospital to 3am

power restrictions are a decent idea something similar to mbike laws in japan, however i believe that the idea above is better suited to educating drivers not just preventing them driving highe powerd cars till they are older.

just an idea iv had 4 a while now what do you ppl think????????????

[Goon]

yes, regarding the curfew not working, remember that not all p platers are 17 or 18 yr olds still at school. there are some of us with full time jobs that finish up late at night.

[Guest jimmyd17]

hey pistolpete, your idea seems quite good to me. Having a class of licence system combined with advanced driver training so only people that have passed all the advanced driver training stuff are able to drive powerful cars. if insurance companies wont insure people for powerful cars if they havent got the right licence class also cant be a bad idea. and ur right about the curfew thing. what a joke! I think the whole licencing system needs to be seriously looked at and be reconstructed. Sounds like a good way to start to me

- James -

[SKY031]

curfews wont work and are just plain freaking stupid! what if a new p plater has to drive his sick sister to the hospital to 3am

According to the restrictions that they are trying to push for P plate curfews, there would be nothing wrong with the "new p plater" driving his sick sister to hospital at 3am.

Part of the restriction is passenger based, meaning that you can't have more than 1 passenger after a certain time of night.

[400kwgtr]

well she must have some sort of driving ability to be a L plater and do 200kmph. she just got unlucky and got caught i guess. who here hasnt done 200 on a public road before?? If she likes speed she should join a car club and do some laps, alot safer and cheaper...

[SKY031]

well she must have some sort of driving ability to be a L plater and do 200kmph.

It doesn't take much skill to push a pedal

who here hasnt done 200 on a public road before??

...and I'm sure you'll find that some people are actually responsible and have some regard for the law, their own life, and the life of others, and don't use public roads as their own private race track.

[Zebbie]

Ok.

I've driven in the UK for most of my life, and have a couple of small points to add.

UK roads may be small, but they are not downright dangerous, as some NSW roads seem to me.

In both the mrs' car, and my line, I have been scared witless by the stupid moves that some younger (and older drivers) do on the roads out here.

I'm now based in Bathurst, which sometimes seems to bring out the worst in some people ;-)

UK insurnace will *hammer* L/P platers. This is partially due to the level of P-platers not being insured.

A good example is a L/P plater being insured on a 1L n/a car in the UK is 1000-1600 UKP ... which is $2400-4000 AUD !!!!!!!!!

With some companies, that's not fully comp either!!!!

(3rd party, fire and theft - no CTP in the uk, only the one ins)

You can get round it by being on the parents insurnace, but when you go to get your own ins a few years later, it's usually 1000 UK or more for a POS car, not a 'line.

When I got here, I fell over at how cheap insurance was! I got a line, (The car I always wanted, but couldn't afford it in the UK) - and because my previous company had not sent my NCB details across, had to be insured with 0 ncb's, and that was about 2K AUD....!

The first time I saw a P plater with a 'line, i fell over, I had no idea how!

I *fully* support a 'class' on car licences, and limits, similar to the bikes, as it seems to work. (in the UK, the first 2 years the limits were introduced, the accidents due to new drivers dropped by over 50%)

Being allowed full access to a high powered car while I was younger would have quite simply killed me - Fact.

in the UK, a 2-2.5L Fiat is considered quick, and I did have some *wow* moments in that, but exceptions for work vehicles should be considered IMHO, as they are needed for time to time, and also needed as part of your job.

My 2c for the mo.

- Zebbie.

[Sciby]

According to the restrictions that they are trying to push for P plate curfews, there would be nothing wrong with the "new p plater" driving his sick sister to hospital at 3am.

Part of the restriction is passenger based, meaning that you can't have more than 1 passenger after a certain time of night.

I"m pretty sure they'd make allowances for that sort of emergency as well. Cops may be arseholes, but they're not inhuman.