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Hi. Iam looking for some "cheaper" bolt on turbo on RB25DET NEO.

I do not want "big" power just better reliability than the stock turbo which is "fot now" good but is old and i do not think it has "easy" life.

One the Skyline here running some "temu" china Turbo but i dont trust those...

Thanks!

 

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The HG high flow is excellent, and costs about the $$ you're talking about. But it, and probably every other highflow, uses a diffeent core than the original turo, and the original Hitatchi core is quite long. So, I think it is inevitable that there is likely no such thing as a highflow that just "bolts on" with no other effort required.

And the same is likely true for HG's outright replacement "bolt on" turbos (the ATR things). And the same is likely true for anything similar from elsewhere.

I have no idea if the cheap Chinese/Taiwanese complete turbos from eBay/Temu/etc are as bolt on as they claim. I mean, they claim the bolt onto the NAs as well as the turbos, and we know that can't be "bolt on". But it wouldn't matter because I'm not buying a $169 4 psi turbo for anything other than a paddock basher.

1 hour ago, GTSBoy said:

So, I think it is inevitable that there is likely no such thing as a highflow that just "bolts on" with no other effort required.

This is an option for 100% bolt on, the GCG high flow - 

https://gcg.com.au/turbo-charger-upgrade-skyline-gtst-2iu-xtrgts-s1.html

Also, I'm pretty sure hypergear does a high flow that is 100% bolt on, it just doesn't make as much power as their bigger high flows. 

7 hours ago, Kapr said:

yeah i "need" something to "ease" up the work and for my driving it would be enough.

Even if you get a hypergear turbo that requires you to chance the intake piping, it is a really simple modification. It can be as simple as a piece of silicon hose and you pop a filter on the end. It doesn't have to be some crazy pie cut titanium work of art intake pipe. 

If you have the ability to swap the turbo yourself, you would be able to sort the intake piping out. 

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1 hour ago, GTSBoy said:

I have no idea if the cheap Chinese/Taiwanese complete turbos from eBay/Temu/etc are as bolt on as they claim

They are, a good friend of mine bought one to replace his blow factory turbo, running a Toshi Tune reflash. Just use their supplied water/oil lines and you're good to go.

At the time, they were like $900 delivered.

2 hours ago, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

They are, a good friend of mine bought one to replace his blow factory turbo, running a Toshi Tune reflash. Just use their supplied water/oil lines and you're good to go.

At the time, they were like $900 delivered.

How many days/weeks/minutes did it last if it was a Temu turbo?

1 hour ago, MBS206 said:

How many days/weeks/minutes did it last if it was a Temu turbo?

Still on his car!

He just runs 1 bar of boost through it though - he's keen on putting injectors, Nistune and winding a bit more into it. I'll report back :) 

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8 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

It must be as smoky as all f**k, running 1 bar with no tune. Maybe it's out of injector!!

It's got a Toshi reflash on it, on song with my portable wideband attached, it shows about 11.7

We did knock out 2x degrees off the CAS too. He's been driving it for years!

20 hours ago, GTSBoy said:

HG's high flow is not "bolt on".

The core is shorter, moves the comp cover rearwards in the engine bay. means you have to deal with the inlet plumbing a little bit.

This is probably something to consider with every "bolt on" turbo anyway.

If this is the case is there something more that could be done? Looks like the OEM manifold is divided so how much more effort could it be to adapt a twin scroll internally gated turbo? Even if the wastegate is suboptimal at least you get decent benefits at low RPM before the wastegate opens up.

49 minutes ago, GTSBoy said:

Clearly I have the goldfish memory going at 100% today. I even saw that you wrote that in the 1st post!

haha all good, also he took it out to Luddenham last year with me, on a 30+ degree day too. 

Car did not explode.

35 minutes ago, joshuaho96 said:

If this is the case is there something more that could be done? Looks like the OEM manifold is divided so how much more effort could it be to adapt a twin scroll internally gated turbo? Even if the wastegate is suboptimal at least you get decent benefits at low RPM before the wastegate opens up.

The stock manifold is "mostly" divided. The divider actually has a notch cut out of it where it would meet the divider on a twin scroll housing. I have no idea why. But whatever the reason, it would cause some cross talk when used with a twin scroll housing.

People do put twin scroll housings onto that manifold. But I'm of the opinion that proper twin scroll internal gating is...not really possible at this scale. You'd be throwing good effort (ie $$) after bad, when you really should be doing something else.

Notwithstanding that.... I am not sure what the idea that you are floating has to do with the difference in comp cover position caused by the highflow using a shorter length core than the stock Hitachi one. Can you clarify what you meant?

Thank you all for the replys 🙂

I know that intake would be different but that is one pipe at it is not that hard to get(custom one).
I meant mainly bolt to the stock manifold and the turbo elbow.

I looked and many sites/forums but they are just "old" with some old HKS turbos from GT-R i guess?
What about some Garrets? 

Or any other turbo?
Is there even a turbo which i can just bolt on? 😄

And yeah i know about that new HKS but that is like 2000k USD without taxes/shipping in here :/ 

Iam getting a touch up tune but my "problem" is that on the "not" hot day iam getting peaks around 0,9 bar...and when it was around 15 Celsious i saw peak around 1 bar which is just too much for stock turbo.
And of course turbo is old and i like to get some new one for a piece of mind 🙂 

6 minutes ago, Kapr said:

I know that intake would be different but that is one pipe at it is not that hard to get(custom one).

Intake manifold is not a part of the issue.

6 minutes ago, Kapr said:

I meant mainly bolt to the stock manifold and the turbo elbow.

The turbo bolts to the exhaust manifold. That is easy. But close your eyes and picture the physical situation. That is a T3 flange on the manifold and a T3 flange on the turbo. As long as any new turbo has a T3 flange on the exhaust housing, that exhaust housing will bolt to the exhaust manifold. This places the exhaust housing in the same place as the stock one.

But now move your mental attention a little further forward. The location of the compressor housing is set by the length of the turbo's core. The stock turbo had a long core. Let's say that it is..... 100mm long. So that would place the compressor housing 100mm forward of the exhaust housing. But a highflow, might well have a centre core that is shorter. Let's say that it is only 70mm long. Now the compressor housing will be 30mm further back in the engine bay than the stock one. This DOES move the turbo's compressor outlet backwards. It also moves the compressor's inlet backwards. You will very likely have to do some work to both the inlet and outlet piping to make everything connect again.

I am not say this to make it out to be a bigger deal than it is. I am just pointing out that "bolt on" is sometimes not quite bolt on.

The highflow from GCG that Murray linked above (https://gcg.com.au/turbo-charger-upgrade-skyline-gtst-2iu-xtrgts-s1.html ) uses a core that is the same length as the stock core, and so does not require this extra work. It will look very much like the stock turbo.

13 minutes ago, Kapr said:

I looked and many sites/forums but they are just "old" with some old HKS turbos from GT-R i guess?

No-one uses GTR turbos of any flavour (stock, or aftermarket) in a single turbo application on RB20/25. It's not a thing.

14 minutes ago, Kapr said:

What about some Garrets?

Yes, people have been putting on GT3076, GTX3076 (and bigger and smaller versions of those) and G30s (of various sizes) onto RB20/25 since forever. But these are not "bolt on". Everything except the 4 bolts to the exhaust manifold change with these. And genuine Garretts are expensive. Non-gen, like Pulsar, etc, are cheaper, variously as good or nearly as good. But still not bolt on.

16 minutes ago, Kapr said:

And yeah i know about that new HKS but that is like 2000k USD without taxes/shipping in here

No-one in the right mind would pay for an HKS turbo. Not in this modern day and age.

16 minutes ago, Kapr said:

Or any other turbo?
Is there even a turbo which i can just bolt on? 😄

Well, yes, the GCG highflow. You could ask HG what he can do to make the compressor housing sit in the original location. There are surely others doing highflows around the world.

And some of the eBay/Temu ones (as reported by Dose) work and don't die. Bit of a lottery though.

I would send your turbo to GCG (here in Oz) to be highflowed if you want a trivial no-extra-work option. But seriously, the work required to change inlet and outlet piping is not that hard.

19 minutes ago, Kapr said:

my "problem" is that on the "not" hot day iam getting peaks around 0,9 bar...and when it was around 15 Celsious i saw peak around 1 bar which is just too much for stock turbo.

That's a boost control problem, not a turbo problem.

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