GODZILLA Vs V8 Supercar

[Shrub32]

The R32 GTR dominated the touring car scene back in the early 90's Im just curious to see the lap time difference between Godzilla and the modern V8's around say Bathurst?

[Duncan]

Qualifying 1991, Skaife, 2.12.62.

Qualifying 2002, Bowe, 2.08.39.

Not much quicker for 12 years later is it? Particularly when the GTRs had huge weight penalties...

[Silver-Arrowz]

Not to include the advancement in tyre technology.

[Neil]

Fastest lap at the 24 hour was the Monaro 2.14.3267,,,and that thing is basically a full-blown race car.

Neil.

[Shrub32]

That Monaro time is not a bad time for a 24 hour race considering they would want to take it "easy" on the engine etc. Skaifes time in the GTR isnt that bad is it! Duncan do you know how much extra ballast the GTR's had to have?

[Roy]

I may be wrong but here i go...

In their first Bathurst in 1990 (they only ran the R32 alongside the R31 in the last few rounds of the SATCC) the GTR weighed 1360kg. Boost was something like 1.6bar

In 1992 at the last Bathurst they weighed 1500kg (140kg ballast which could be moved around the chassis so whilst it hindered performance, it was located so as to mimise impact) and had a pop off valve limiting boost to 1.3bar.

The GTR has HICAS disconnected and ran fulltime 4WD at a ratio that could be changed to maximise handling characteristics, and 18" wheels

But keep in mind that Nissan did cheat by homolgating a sports car, whilst the rest of the field had to build hot sedans and hatches to go racing. I cant recall how much slower say the Group A Commodores were, the Sierras courtesy of some boost would often qualify quicker.

Considering the Intl rules the Commodore had to run under i think it held its own, especially in the wet where due to the bodykit and tractable nature of the V8 would often be quicker then the Sierras.

The difference in times can be largely attributed to tyre technology.

[Duncan]

Fair point about the GTR just being a road going race car - its the same thing that pissed me off about the monaro in the 24hr race - pretty unfair for the rest of the field...

Anyway, how do they compare in times at other tracks? Bathurst is really a power circuit with those long up and down hills.

[Roy]

Ill have to get out the old vids, sounds like a task next time im nursing a well earned hang over.

[Shrub32]

went through some old photos form the adelaide GP found some GTR pics

[Shrub32]

parked after a easy win

[R33 Impul]

Found this on the V8 Supercar web page under Bathurst History.

Fastest race on new circuit

Jim Richards/Mark Skaife

1991

6hr.19m.14.80s

Nissan GT-R

158.26 Kph

Still stands to this day.

[Silver-Arrowz]

That stat doesn't really tell the story cause it doesn't take into account how many times the pace car came out to slow them down, or it it was raining like hell. But still is a good stat to have next to the GTR's name.

[Southo]

Keep an eye out for an upcoming Zoom Magazine when the interview with Fred Gibson is printed..... You will be surprised just how many teams cheated and what they got away with...

[KraSE]

Originally posted by Southo

Keep an eye out for an upcoming Zoom Magazine when the interview with Fred Gibson is printed.....  You will be surprised just how many teams cheated and what they got away with...

alot of teams did and still do it isn't cheating it is bending the rules

They come up with some great ideas on how to get around stuff.

[Duncan]

Well, at the risk of starting an off-topic fight, I totally disagree. Cheating sure as hell is cheating, and the amount that goes on at all levels of motorsport is disgraceful.

Why shouldn't teams have to start with a level playing field and rely on their driver's skill and their teamwork in pitstops to decide the outcome. Warren Luff's cheating his way to the Brute title last year being an excellant example.

[Roy]

Warren Luff's cheating his way to the Brute title last year being an excellant example.

Gossip, yay!!!!

[Duncan]

Sorry, I meant to say that he was disqualified from the last round's results only. For a modified shock absorber which had _apparently_ been in use all year.

[fatz]

lol

luff and cheting get out of here

[KraSE]

i don't mean they all outright cheat. Just bend them slightly.

exploting the "grey" area in the rules. Common in any level of competiton.

[Silver-Arrowz]

Cheating exists in all sports. Look at horse racing. All the glitz and glamour to hide that dirt all over the place.

In motorsport most of the times it's "bending the rules". Renault with the launch control system was an absolutely brilliant idea, but was later banned.