How Do You Shift?

[Mr Italy!]

Just flat shift and every 3 months you can "order new gearbox and ship overnight from Japan".

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Sounds like a good plan, "We'll put it on my tab at Harry's".

Edited December 7, 2005 by Mr Italy!

[race_snooze]

yes flat shifting is where you have accelertor flat to the floor and you have a quick stab at the clutch and change gears, have done this a few times for WSID in gtst33 216rwkw, no problems as yet. (box was just rebuilt 3 months ago) keep doing it, it will smash something, but i keep it all very smooth too.

[Links]

main advantage of flat shifting is you'll be constantly on boost? yes/no?.. as soon as you back off the throttle, throttle body closes and BOV releases and your back to square 1..

[RellikZephyr]

not really back to square 1 thats the point of the BOV to release the pressure so its got somewhere else to go other than back down to turbo and spinning it down (and worst case, damage)

and given you change with high enough revs you shouldnt come off boost even if you dont flat shift

not entirely sure of exact point of flat shifting (never really liked it, prob cause never had dog box) but i would say (given strong box) it gives a jolt of speed/power when gear changed as opposed letting off go pedal and having to apply power AFTER gear change

RellikZephyr

[Kel]

Flat shifting is for cars you don't own (right Dan) and/or rental cars...............

[Kel]

.......shall add that I'm not really a V8 SuperCab fan, but seeing the incar footage of Greg Murphy is a good example of how to drive in a "drag" situation

[Big Rizza]

I was always under the impression that flat shifting involved keeping foot to the floor and no clutch. V8 supercars do it all the time (but they can rebuild the gearbox after every race if need be!). I've always referred to leaving foot to the floor and using clutch as a power shift. The revs build during the shift and when you get the clutch out engine speed is greater than road speed and hence the car will surge forward. It can be enough to push you ahead of another car during a drag. I don't do it myself as it puts excess wear on the clutch and gearbox.

[chrissso]

lol at this thread! especially the 2f2f references. We would all know better without it.. Here's what I recon, v8 sc's have a dog box and to change gears they just ease off the gas and push hard on the gear stick in the direction on the next gear and it should slam into it. The lifting of the gas helps it pull out of gear. I think you need to double clutch on the down change only though. Only Vin Diesel needs to double clutch on the up change...

I know this chick who's fiance had a dog box in his liberty and she said it was a pain in the arse to drive around town because of the double clutch on the down change. However, the up change was sweet! Just lift of the gas for 1/2 a sec and SLAM! Then he sold the car to someone who didn't double clutch it an suprise suprise, it broke about a month later...

[nemz]

vin diesel stole my baby

[Kennedy]

vin diesel stole my baby

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Vin Diesel can believe it's not butter

[Mr Italy!]

.......shall add that I'm not really a V8 SuperCab fan, but seeing the incar footage of Greg Murphy is a good example of how to drive in a "drag" situation

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Nah if i remember correctly, one of the commentators mentioned some fancy technology that they've just employed that makes it work pretty much like they used the clutch to change gears, but it reduces the gear change time slighty as they dont need to lift off/push down on the pedals again... Without placing any more stress on the gearbox then they usually would.

Mind you, i heard that about 3 months ago so my memory may be slightly off.

Edited December 9, 2005 by Mr Italy!

[rukus]

i lick my fingers everytime i shift

[DriftSquad]

i can shift so quick that the bov cant go off!! can any 1 eles?

"i never knocked on no body"

[RellikZephyr]

damn you gotta teach me that skill

RellikZephyr

EDIT: although the BOV woldnt release during a flat shift cause the throttle doesnt actually close so... not that hard a skill after all

Edited December 13, 2005 by RellikZephyr

[Triskillion]

people say you loose boost but remember the exhaust coming out is still traveling fast so by the time your in the next gear and the bov is closed there still should be boost there....

RIGHT?

[soon2b33]

The most important bit is the launch. U want minimal wheel spin so u know ur getting maximum traction, control the clutch firmly so u dont bog at all, but so u still get power to the ground.

I raced another r33 tonite, i was lucky with a neat launch and got the jump on him, he couldnt close the gap. then just concentrate on your shifts, smooth and quick. u dont need to necessarily redline it either.

1st to second is the main shift. so practise practise practise...

[RellikZephyr]

people say you loose boost but remember the exhaust coming out is still traveling fast so by the time your in the next gear and the bov is closed there still should be boost there....

RIGHT?

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thats the point of the BOV to keep the turbo spooling therefore not loosing any boost

RellikZephyr

[Bass Junky]

You'll also find that the V8 SC guys have ignition cut on their clutches which, obviously, cuts ignition for the splilt second it takes them to jam the gears, hence they keep their foot flat on the throttle.

They also have a soft limiter which will keep revs pegged at 7500 between gears, such is the beauty of Motec.

I used to flat shift 1st to 1nd in my VN V6 5 speed commodore all the time, but couldn't do 2nd to 3rd. Mind you, it took we about 0.1 do rip it from 1st to 2nd!!

I ran a 15.2 in that car. It rocked!

[Kennedy]

They also have a soft limiter which will keep revs pegged at 7500 between gears, such is the beauty of Motec.

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Is that the same Motek exhaust found on Honda Civic's?

[VL-TRBO-RB20]

if u wana drag propperly with out ne loss in shit get an auto!!!! HA