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No we understand drifting, you're not understanding that we've seen this sport become huge, and now it's starting to die off, it is no longerthe fastest growing event.WTAC is actually australias fastest growing motorsport event.

OMG so much stupidity in here from the NA brigade! So many fails and contradictions in their own arguments and so many facts missing! You just claimed an R35 is quicker then a Shelby! Get them on the roll! The higher power will win, give them both the same AWD and electrical trickery to full throttle launch. Better yet, race them over a full KM! As to drifting, funny that one of the cars that was continuously at the top of the game a few years back was a V8 Monaro and then the Crewman ute! Lastly, you might want to watch the video where the D1 guys take the Vauxhail VXR I think it was (our old hsv gto) and at the end they want it. Why? Effortless power and it held slides so well! Lastly, sport model commos and falcons aren't boaty they're actually stiff, standard model commos and falcons are boats.

Just because our choice in motorsport to spend money on isnt drifting dot think for one second most of us who track our cars haven't done it, geez most of us have a crack at it on track days for shits and giggles at the end of the day.When you realize that the choice of drifting is responsive turbo cars and stop watching the jap version of p players drifting you might realize that te sport isnt built around NA cars. Lastly, p platers have this thing for wrapping even daihatsu charades around poles, don't let the government brain wash you into thinking you're a million times safer as it's missing a turbo. When you get to have PROPER drives of turbo cars you will then no longer be one minded yourself and realize a NA skyline is not FAST Please note: we've covered many times that you can drift the most under powered cars, that doesn't make them fast. It's like saying because I used the side of my fork to cut through some chicken it's sharp. Reality is, yes it'll "cut it" but it's not sharp Without power the car IS slow.

*High Five* Marc gets it!

Dopey, I don't drift, figure it out and you'll do better.Circuit and hill climb here. And we're not talking pro stuff, how many N/As are the D1 guys drifting? You do also know youre the one arguing about drifting in a thread about how fast a car is right? No one asked "Can an NA drift" We all know they can drift, you can drift a KE70 if you want to. Does that make it fast? f**k NO!

Dear Sir/Madam, You claim to be mightier because other people have never had these restrictions, but in NSW these restrictions have actually been town for quite a long time. IE 7 Years. I'm not that old. As for the NAs not being slow, actually, down the 1/4 mile they ARE slow in comparison to a late model 3.8L commodore, just because your shorter ratio gearbox gets the better of them from 0-100, when you run for a full 1/4 mile, you'd be surprised at which point the Commodore will rake you in. The fact of the matter is, N/A skylines are NOT fast, where is my evidence you ask? Well right below, from one of your fellow N/A friends who is arguing your same battle... To Mr Fryters, we never said you can't drift them, we said they're slow, I used to be able to hold a slide in my 1988 Model Nissan Navara, and hell, that thing made a whopping 80KW when it was brand new, once the odometer had been around the clock a few times it wasn't that powerful any more, yet it'd still hold the tail out. Funny fact, I also used to use lift off oversteer in a Jazz to slide it around corners faster, and shit, it's not even RWD yet alone fast! Please see above, you're not the only person who's driven N/A cars before.Before I bought my R33 I had a VR 3.8L commo, while I had my R33 off the road for an RB30DET build, I had a VN Commo, Before I had the VR I had an NA 2.4L Navara, after the RB30DET build I had a Jazz as my primary car for quite a while. I can vouch for what is, and what isn't fast, hell, I've seen a turbo diesel Ford Territory out at a texi drifting, and that isn't fast! As for me not using a dyno costing me money, you're obviously showing your inexperience here, dyno tuning will get you in the ball park, then for proper track tuning, you tune them on the track. I used to own my own Wideband gear and have all the gear for tuning timing as a part of my ECUs. I got rid of my wideband gear because I want a different wideband for doing my own tuning. Never had an issue from a tune point of view with engines. I have had issues of spinning bearings from engines leaving no oil in the sump, but most guys who track their RBs hard on standard sumps also have these issues. (Unless you live in Victoria) Also, N/A is not a challenge, you throw the car in as hard as you can, pin the throttle as hard as you can, and as long as you haven't entered too aggressively the car will straighten itself up not too much further out of the corner. Need to change direction? Quick flick of the throttle and an NA changes direction VERY quickly. You will also notice alot of N/A drifters use the handbrake to initiate a drift, whereas the guys with power will use a weight transfer and then over power the rear tyres and then have to modulate how much angle they have with steering + throttle. Yes you can drift them, Shit, if you remember back when Oran Park used to have truck racing, (Are you old enough to remember back then?) you will remember watching them be able to drift the trucks as well. I can also remember watching an old EH Inline 6 drift lap after lap last turn at Oran Park, and a Mitsubishi Mirage could out accelerate it (IE, IT WASN'T FAST YET IT STILL DRIFTED!!!) Drifting may be possible, this thread wasn't about that. You kids need to wake up to yourselves (Although, you seem to have already as half of you have admitted they're not fast cars but are still arguing for some point) and realise that the N/A Skylines are NOT a fast car.

Erm, no, no and no. N/A drifting isn't big and popular, super close, with the most angle (You can't get and hold angle without more power then an NA RB25 can produce), and most smoke IS popular, if it wasn't, then why is that what drifters are scored on? Secondly, you're showing you've never driven a car that can break in a power slide at 140+KM/H other wise you wouldn't be claiming any muppet can do it, high speed + angle = alot harder to control then sliding in second. Secondly, I grabbed the only skyline N/A drifting I could find on youtube quickly. And if my car doesn't go on a dyno it's going to cost me money how now? I'm unsure how not using a device that I have to pay to use (If I wanted to) will cost me money by not using it... To this guy, find me an NA RB25 that is producing 300HP... You do know that is around 225KW, IE, the region of 1Bar of boost + tuning on an RB25... IE, turbo power territory... IE, something a nicely powered car will produce... You're just helping us prove our point. Secondly, your claim is the stupid part. You're all here saying "Our cars are not slow, but we would buy a turbo car because it's fast but we can't legally... But our cars aren't slow... But we only bought these slow cars because we have to"... Are you lot even freaking listening to yourselves?!

Unneccasary but it looks wayyyyy better... Blazing fourth gear with more then 45 degrees angle looks way better then an N/A that's back in 2nd and if you're lucky 3rd (On a BIGGGGGG sweeping corner)Yup, I'll take big power. Plus, there really is nothing quite like unleashing 350+ RWKW... All you N/A owners may one day find that boyish like joy you get from spastically powered cars, when you start understanding that N/A skylines are slow...

Where is the fun? This > Nuff said. PS: My cars don't go on dynos

Take it to WAS. Go see Kon, tell him Matt and Tristan sent you. As to the guy asking about 25/30s. He's fine with them, just as competent on them as any other motor. Mine was there but had been built wrong, Kon helped diagnose it all, had it fixed up and I left very happy.

N/As are slow. Nuff said...

Boz, unfortunately this one has been buried at the moment (Literally, you can't really get to it at all ). There are plans to resurrect it in the next few months, but I have another project sitting beside it I need to finish off first. As for the exhaust, at the moment it's looking like modified standard HSV manifolds, although that may change depending on what happens clearance wise when I raise the engine a bit to get the starter motor to clear the steering rack mount. Edit: I think I PM'd BadBen, but yes, the LS1 was purely a cost reasoning, and they still make enough power. With it completely stripped out how it is, it's an EXTREMELY light R33, putting more and more torque into it is just going to result in massive power skids. 5.7L will be plenty big enough with a full exhaust + cam + tune. As for the exhaust, depending on how loud it ends up at full noise, 30 metres from the side of the track, will depend on whether I leave it as a straight through dual 2.5" or whether I have to put a muffler on each.

Come back when a set lasts a max of 3 laps drifting.

Yeah, I figured it was the same car, looks very comprehensive that cage!I thought you might need to set things back a bit. I wish all the pedal boxes and what not didn't cost so damn much or I'd be doing them also!

Leesh, you might just have to fake it with him... It's been a while now...

What's the go with that car Brad? What's it being setup for? I also notice it appears the pedals will foul on the cage I'm guessing pedal box?

I already know what mine runs Mark... No room for improvement without new wheels. 13.005 from a bog stocker! (Except for a heavy ass set of 19s with shit rubber)

Now I know why you don't love me PS: I thought Elvis had left the building?

I read it, I'd be further up his ass if he was in the right lane and slowing down below the speed limit for no reason.

What you are told by the powers that be, and what is the actual law are to different things.Depending on circumstances (how hechecked etc) a good traffic lawyer (or any lawyer that can mount an argument!) would have this squashed purely from that piece of legislation, often though people aren't game enough to buck the system hard enough. Go and watch the video that's been posted in the import section and you'll start to see what I mean (caution it's a 50 minute video!)

Supercar on nankangs... I'm not sure if I like that idea, am concerned by it, or both...

What you need to do is take the truck on an extensive test drive to Melbourne and back. Sell the ute as is. Work on the March in the correct month.

Mark, read the cutout of the legislation that I posted.You can not be held liable for driving an unregistered vehicle if it is reasonable for you to assume the vehicle is registered. IE the owner said yes it is, but it really isn't. Don't worry about what is on the RTA website, read the actual legislation and it gives you all the conditions under which you can't be fined for driving an unregd vehicle.

I'll head up now. Still need to grab my crap I left at yours so I'll bring the trailer.

Another thought, is this only NSW scrappin the stickers? What happens when someone drives interstate if we're the only ones scrapping then? Legislation states that you have to abide by each states road and traffic act (yes, while rules went "national" each state still has varying rules) one of those is te displaying of rego labels. Doesn't this now mean that I can be fined in SA for example (if they still require labels) for not displaying a valid rego label?