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OMG! That part was freaking awesomely funneh! Oh so much win!

Your Civic is defectable then...That means at 120KM/H on the speedo, you're doing 100KM/H... This means you're 16% out... Which is outside the boundaries...

I was being multicultural for about 30 seconds... And then I flipped out due to the crowds and left... LOL

OMG! What was with some of those people!!!

That problem happens when you run out of Indicator Fluid. It allows the indicators to appear as though they're closer then they are, and blueslippers won't pass them.Refill the fluid and they look normal again. It's all to do with light waves bending as they go through different materials, without the liquid the light bends together, and hence they look close together.

Hurry up dream boats...

And after a day at a machine shop for an open day, I'd be sending a brand new crank to be check up on anyway...

Motion passes.Series one boats are for the win. Even more so LS1 S1 Boats...

In, pending dates of a multitude of weddings I'm attending.

Oh and welcome Wombark.

Or Rhythm.... And Blues....

So lease it off Boston... I'm sure you two can work out a Contra arrangement

That weather that was meant to be there on Sunday was there on Monday... Worlds worst drive home from ACT! So when is the next round Chubbs?

Have I told you yet Nick that I'm coming to steal your exhaust manifolds?

I was thinking the exact same

Farken hell, this thread is like an N/A, slow as f**k, produces the lulz for those who know, and just keeps going and going...

So you're not caring about power or speed right?Because if you did, you wouldn't buy an N/A right? Which is you saying, I bought an N/A knowing it had no power or capability for speed. In essence, I bought an N/A knowing it was slow. In other words, you just admitted that N/As are slow, yet you're arguing against this in a thread asking "Are N/As slow?" Please note: Everyone has admitted you can drift them, you can drift many other extremely under powered cars too, yet you're still arguing for some unknown reason.

No we understand drifting, you're not understanding that we've seen this sport become huge, and now it's starting to die off, it is no longerthe fastest growing event.WTAC is actually australias fastest growing motorsport event.

OMG so much stupidity in here from the NA brigade! So many fails and contradictions in their own arguments and so many facts missing! You just claimed an R35 is quicker then a Shelby! Get them on the roll! The higher power will win, give them both the same AWD and electrical trickery to full throttle launch. Better yet, race them over a full KM! As to drifting, funny that one of the cars that was continuously at the top of the game a few years back was a V8 Monaro and then the Crewman ute! Lastly, you might want to watch the video where the D1 guys take the Vauxhail VXR I think it was (our old hsv gto) and at the end they want it. Why? Effortless power and it held slides so well! Lastly, sport model commos and falcons aren't boaty they're actually stiff, standard model commos and falcons are boats.

Just because our choice in motorsport to spend money on isnt drifting dot think for one second most of us who track our cars haven't done it, geez most of us have a crack at it on track days for shits and giggles at the end of the day.When you realize that the choice of drifting is responsive turbo cars and stop watching the jap version of p players drifting you might realize that te sport isnt built around NA cars. Lastly, p platers have this thing for wrapping even daihatsu charades around poles, don't let the government brain wash you into thinking you're a million times safer as it's missing a turbo. When you get to have PROPER drives of turbo cars you will then no longer be one minded yourself and realize a NA skyline is not FAST Please note: we've covered many times that you can drift the most under powered cars, that doesn't make them fast. It's like saying because I used the side of my fork to cut through some chicken it's sharp. Reality is, yes it'll "cut it" but it's not sharp Without power the car IS slow.

*High Five* Marc gets it!

Dopey, I don't drift, figure it out and you'll do better.Circuit and hill climb here. And we're not talking pro stuff, how many N/As are the D1 guys drifting? You do also know youre the one arguing about drifting in a thread about how fast a car is right? No one asked "Can an NA drift" We all know they can drift, you can drift a KE70 if you want to. Does that make it fast? f**k NO!

Dear Sir/Madam, You claim to be mightier because other people have never had these restrictions, but in NSW these restrictions have actually been town for quite a long time. IE 7 Years. I'm not that old. As for the NAs not being slow, actually, down the 1/4 mile they ARE slow in comparison to a late model 3.8L commodore, just because your shorter ratio gearbox gets the better of them from 0-100, when you run for a full 1/4 mile, you'd be surprised at which point the Commodore will rake you in. The fact of the matter is, N/A skylines are NOT fast, where is my evidence you ask? Well right below, from one of your fellow N/A friends who is arguing your same battle... To Mr Fryters, we never said you can't drift them, we said they're slow, I used to be able to hold a slide in my 1988 Model Nissan Navara, and hell, that thing made a whopping 80KW when it was brand new, once the odometer had been around the clock a few times it wasn't that powerful any more, yet it'd still hold the tail out. Funny fact, I also used to use lift off oversteer in a Jazz to slide it around corners faster, and shit, it's not even RWD yet alone fast! Please see above, you're not the only person who's driven N/A cars before.Before I bought my R33 I had a VR 3.8L commo, while I had my R33 off the road for an RB30DET build, I had a VN Commo, Before I had the VR I had an NA 2.4L Navara, after the RB30DET build I had a Jazz as my primary car for quite a while. I can vouch for what is, and what isn't fast, hell, I've seen a turbo diesel Ford Territory out at a texi drifting, and that isn't fast! As for me not using a dyno costing me money, you're obviously showing your inexperience here, dyno tuning will get you in the ball park, then for proper track tuning, you tune them on the track. I used to own my own Wideband gear and have all the gear for tuning timing as a part of my ECUs. I got rid of my wideband gear because I want a different wideband for doing my own tuning. Never had an issue from a tune point of view with engines. I have had issues of spinning bearings from engines leaving no oil in the sump, but most guys who track their RBs hard on standard sumps also have these issues. (Unless you live in Victoria) Also, N/A is not a challenge, you throw the car in as hard as you can, pin the throttle as hard as you can, and as long as you haven't entered too aggressively the car will straighten itself up not too much further out of the corner. Need to change direction? Quick flick of the throttle and an NA changes direction VERY quickly. You will also notice alot of N/A drifters use the handbrake to initiate a drift, whereas the guys with power will use a weight transfer and then over power the rear tyres and then have to modulate how much angle they have with steering + throttle. Yes you can drift them, Shit, if you remember back when Oran Park used to have truck racing, (Are you old enough to remember back then?) you will remember watching them be able to drift the trucks as well. I can also remember watching an old EH Inline 6 drift lap after lap last turn at Oran Park, and a Mitsubishi Mirage could out accelerate it (IE, IT WASN'T FAST YET IT STILL DRIFTED!!!) Drifting may be possible, this thread wasn't about that. You kids need to wake up to yourselves (Although, you seem to have already as half of you have admitted they're not fast cars but are still arguing for some point) and realise that the N/A Skylines are NOT a fast car.

Erm, no, no and no. N/A drifting isn't big and popular, super close, with the most angle (You can't get and hold angle without more power then an NA RB25 can produce), and most smoke IS popular, if it wasn't, then why is that what drifters are scored on? Secondly, you're showing you've never driven a car that can break in a power slide at 140+KM/H other wise you wouldn't be claiming any muppet can do it, high speed + angle = alot harder to control then sliding in second. Secondly, I grabbed the only skyline N/A drifting I could find on youtube quickly. And if my car doesn't go on a dyno it's going to cost me money how now? I'm unsure how not using a device that I have to pay to use (If I wanted to) will cost me money by not using it... To this guy, find me an NA RB25 that is producing 300HP... You do know that is around 225KW, IE, the region of 1Bar of boost + tuning on an RB25... IE, turbo power territory... IE, something a nicely powered car will produce... You're just helping us prove our point. Secondly, your claim is the stupid part. You're all here saying "Our cars are not slow, but we would buy a turbo car because it's fast but we can't legally... But our cars aren't slow... But we only bought these slow cars because we have to"... Are you lot even freaking listening to yourselves?!

Unneccasary but it looks wayyyyy better... Blazing fourth gear with more then 45 degrees angle looks way better then an N/A that's back in 2nd and if you're lucky 3rd (On a BIGGGGGG sweeping corner)Yup, I'll take big power. Plus, there really is nothing quite like unleashing 350+ RWKW... All you N/A owners may one day find that boyish like joy you get from spastically powered cars, when you start understanding that N/A skylines are slow...