Power....when Do You Think Its Enough?

[R33GTRVSPEC]

242kw at the wheels was enough for me the first time i drove it, now i want more. 350 would be nice i think

[INASNT]

The more you modify it the less you will drive it.

My 33 hardly sees the road anymore as driving it to work is the city is a pain in the ass and then theres the bacon to also worry about everytime you take it out. Thats y i got myself a second car as a daily driver. My daily driver only has around 190kw@engine and is plently driving around most times

[Starionturbo]

On the street I find 240 rwkw as much as I would want. Ive had more powerful dailys and they are not practical.

I dont drive mine daily, im in the company car mostly, so its good fun getting into the more powerful car.

[Maxx]

<250rwkw for a rear wheel drive is more than enough for me

without traction is fun for a while, then u get furstrate

[Dee 33]

240rwkw is good but not enough. 1st and 2nd are hell fun, don't need more power there but I'd like to be able to snap it into third with more than just a chirp.

Until it becomes impratical, you'll always be wanting more once you become acustomed to what you have. I think I'll hit the limits of my stock internals then stop. So cams and injectors should finish it nicely and hopefully get me to 260-270rwkw.

Just got the money from my new loan to buy me a daily though. Getting a Suzuki Sierra. 1.3l carb! Driving the Skyline less will make me appreciate it more

[maccattack]

Power figures by themselves don't mean too much - especially on the street. More importantly is where does it come on. I know of a number of high (and I mean big) horsepower cars that can't use any of it until after 5000-6000rpm. They would be eaten down low by a high torque car which comes on early.

Mind you - once they wind up on a longer stretch its bye-bye, but generally thats not where most of us drive.

[Abo Bob]

I always thought that 250rwkw would be enough and now that I'm here it pretty much is.

[PHATR32]

u have enuff power wen u can out run the police chopper!

[NA_R33]

mines making around 300rwkw's and its not enough but im making 1500+ NM's oif tractive effort on the dyno wheel spinning.... needless to say its pretty silly on the street but more is never enough...

Needless to say its back into RD and were doing some more things too hopefully push up and over the 400kw mark and thats where i shall sit for a while. Next will be a tube frame car, fiber glass body to exactly replicate the current car, same engine but with a PSI blower hanging out the bonnet. Will more then likely commence mid-end of next year.

[R31Nismoid]

lol, i didnt know you can power down at 300rwkw and stil have traction, is this with some sort of lsd'd or what?, even at 180rwkw i feel there is a bit of issues with my tyres trying to grip whilst building boost!

that means your tyres need replacing.

i ran 330rwkw and had little traction issues using street 225's.

skated a tad @ the top end of each gear. Otherwise in my book it was nothing.

I've seen poorly setup stock R33's get more wheelspin.

all in suspension and tyres.

As for your question about torque... i doubt many here have had thier motor on an engine dyno to be able to accurately answer that.

Dynos are a tuning tool... worse if you try using the torque figures

[Tommyk]

Sounds like someone has been playing way too much nfs most wanted.

I may have 300awkw at the moment, but it blows, because the sort of driving i do requires me to have decent power down low. I think I would be happier with around the 250-270awkw with much better response

[Beer Baron]

maybe we should swap?? lol i've got just over 250 at the wheel and full boost at around 3700. i love giving it some in rwd as it just smokes em up as it hits boost. that's with semi slicks.... hate to see what it would be like with shit tyres.

i think 250kw in a rwd skyline is enough for street. in a GTR i think 310 or so is about right.

if we are talking track make that 280 for the rwd sky, and 380 for the GTR.

[Tommyk]

380aw or rwkw for the gtr would make it pretty unstreetable. How many guys do you know making that sort of power have decent reponse ?

With what I have, it sucks. I'll be going gt-ss on the next car, just for something a bit different

[nsta]

hehe ill see how 250rwkw feels and responds and then go from there, hell im happy with 200rwkw atm once tuned.......

whats the best way to get r33's to stop spinning up when you have more power (ie 250+rwkw)?, i think i do have Sh*& tyres to tell ya the truth!

[BU5TER]

I have around 360rwkw at low boost ie gate pressure 15psi, what I've found is the more power the better the tyre you have to use

I use drag radials like nitto 555r all the time once they're warm you have grip

[Starionturbo]

Tyres make a huge difference, I usually run 265s, and from compound to compound, it makes a big difference. With yoko AVS, I find 3rd gear easy to fry after clutching it, but I have since bought some new SO3 bridgestones, and they grip like HELL!!

As someone mentioned earlier, power figures mean little, theres so many variables, unless your clearing 280 rwkw

Personally I think Its useless getting heaps of power if ur gonna drive it on the street. Not only does it become dangerous, but you will get caught. Not to mention the legalities. In melbourne here Im not bothering going all out on mods, even though its relatively inexpensive to do so- police just hammer you. If your gonna use it for track go for it -.

A mate of mine spent about 8K modding his R33 about 4 months ago, made over 300 rwkw. Got done with yellow and EPA and is now struggling to sell his setup for insanely cheap prices. You start to wonder whether its worth it or not.

Any other state (dont know about NSW) I wud have defenitely modified my car much more!

[Beer Baron]

380aw or rwkw for the gtr would make it pretty unstreetable. How many guys do you know making that sort of power have decent reponse ?

With what I have, it sucks. I'll be going gt-ss on the next car, just for something a bit different

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i said 310 for a street car. 380 for a track car....

[N1GTR]

As said before - depends on the use for your car, and includes suspension setup and driveability

Ive got a GTR with 235rwkw, and really enjoy taking it out, but almost everytime i drive it, i think about what to do next.

So for me? TO4Z and 420 awkw will be enough.

[Tommyk]

a track car obviously means a high revving 2.7 -> 3.0 with large twins ?

Even then, on slower tracks, it will most likely get munched.

[PurpleR32]

There is such a thing as enough power.

You have enough power when you plant your foot in 4th gear and all 4 tyres light up.