Is Going From 34gtt To 32gtr Upgrade Or Downgrade

[rgr34]

this thread has turned sour i see haha......my 2 cents is in stock form in good condition id go the r32 gtr for performance....saying that they do look outdated...... visually i think the r34 is a better looking car! so my opinion is if your not concerned with performance so much the r34 is the way to go..... depending on the person its a either a upgrade or a downgrade.....

[PHATR32]

moving on from a r32 gtr will always be a downgrade.

[jazza08]

Newer car = newer tech?

* WRONG In areas you don't care about in the GTT. It lacks a great deal of technology compared to the R32GTR and basically is well down on tech features the GTR has that make the car good to drive.

Newer suspension bits = good?

*WRONG: The factory R32GTR springs and shocks offer much better for performance than the stocker GTT.

Newer paint?

* WRONG Thats a statement about condition. I have seen plenty of R32 original paint work that even today would be considered mint. GTR owners are more likely to care for the vehicle I find.

Newer engine?

* WRONG Again a statement about condition. The RB25 is as old as the RB26 but, is so much less of a motor.

Thats whats attractive about new cars?

* Invalid. The GTT is NOT a NEW car it's a second hand one that is at least 7 almost 8 years old.

99.9% of GTR's not in factory condition?

* Due to GTT's being at least 7 to 8 years old neither are they, it's a second hand market. Assuming more GTTs are closer to factory condition is just that, an assumption not a fact.

Nissan engineers never going backwards?

* They went back to 2WD technology on the GTT model as one example, heavy steel guards and bonnet, single turbo, single throttle body etc....

350rwhp GTT?

* can't get the power to the ground on the road in the dry

* can't get half of the power to the ground on the road in the wet

* You need a 'Built' Rb25 to live at that power level for any long period of time

* You need to upgrade everything from fuel pump / injectors / turbo and the list goes on to even achieve it

350rwhp GTR

* With very little mods you can make this power on a stock engine/ turbos /injectors.

* The engine will happily live with the power

* You can actually put the power to the ground in the dry

* You can actually put the power to the ground in the wet

That makes the 350rwhp R32 GTR a more comfortable , faster and more enjoyable car to drive.

If you wanted more than that an R32 GTR is more suitable too.

Im guessing you own an R32 GTR or are in love with them and can't see past you big nose to another perspective?

The 34 GTT has newer technology, ever heard of traction control, how about VVT? Things unheard of un 1989!

Obviously the suspension on a GTR is going to be better, but someone said 230,000kms on standard suspension, wake up mate the springs and ESP shocks wouldn't last that long, they'd be longggg dead along with most of the other bits n pieces (bush's blah blah). Its common sence 15 yr old suspension can be abit dodge (i know i sold mine with that being one of the reasons i cbf pourning anymore money into it).

Yes i agree paint is about condition, however 99% of 32 GTRs you see have average paint, together with the fact that 3 layer factory duco was again unheard of back in 1989 adds to my point, it won't be as nice as the 34s.

The engine, r34 neo's generally has less kms and have been driven alot less hard thus its harder to find one to pop, i agree if your goin for 400+rwhp then get an rb26, but even at those levels ive seen more rb26's pop than rb25s. You can't tell me a 15 yr old rb26 is goin to be in the condition a 5 or 7 year old rb25 will be in, thats fkn stupid. I KNOW ive seen it over and over and over, if your denyin it your just plain thick!

On the power note, 350rwhp in a rwd gt-t is a very quick package if you know how to drive it, yes a 32 gtr with awd will be easier, but put it down to the driver if they can manage it or not. You can't say that they have gone backwards in tech, thats dumb again, the gt-t and gts-t's have simply always been rwd. Its like sayin a Ferrari is backwards in tech because one of the models is RWD...

In terms of 350rwhp, you can make that witout a built rb25, everybody knows that, just go read through the forums, it seems 400rwhp is the stress point on the rb25, its all about how you treat a motor.

Also i know from expierance, you won't get over 350rwhp without stressing the standard gtr's turbos (which have usually been replaced due to age by now) and injectors are near at their limits there. I agree bolt some N1's on which is simple and you can make 400+rwhp, but thats also a level ive seen many many pop at, even blowing gearbox's in some cases...

Its fine for you to have an opinion, but you HAVE to be able to see both sides of the picture. The 32 GTR would be the best option if it was mint and the same age no question, but in 99% of cases its not and things go wrong with them. They are older in every aspect which is why there's more ppl voting its a downgrade on the forum because newer things generally have less problems

If the owner wanted performance only and had the cash its obvious.

If the owner wanted a nice comfortable daily, again its obvious.

Btw rant over/ hehehe

Edited January 31, 2007 by jazza08

[N1GTR]

Any GTR is better than a lesser model in my opinion.

Agreed

Just dont buy a cheap and nasty one, there are some out there in good condition. Just takes time to find them

Really depends what you want to do with it though IMO, if you want a car to do the shopping in, go R34, or something more "racey" with higher grip levels and the ability to pack on huge amounts of power easily go GTR

As for the debate thats going on: The GTR was made for a reason, they had a clear goal in sight, and reached it. Group A domination. For the GTT and GTST models what was the goal? Maybe "make some profit to support the GTR racing programme"? "Use the racing wins to sell more cars, particularly one we can actually make profit on" - maybe something like that? It makes sense from a financial standpoint as Nissan afterall is a company. Think of it like Holden and Ford, or Mitsubishi and Subaru. Holden and Ford "race" in the v8supercars and use the winnings etc there to sell more models. For Mitsubishi and Subaru they have taken to the WRC, same as the EVO lancer and the STi Impreza etc, and in all of those companies there is other models offered that are more affordable, such as commodore SS or HSV, Ford XR8 and FPV, Lancer EVO MR and FQ400, Subaru WRX and all the club spec models for example

Now before i get blamed for being bias - ive been in a lot of nice gtst's and one very nice R34 GTT, they arent THAT bad.

...but...

(i know this wont go down well, but its my 2c)

I see the GTST/GTT models as the "run around" models from Nissan (pulsars and alike excluded) compared to the GTR lineup. The reason i came to this conclusion? Easy...

The engineers couldve used the RB26but didnt

The engineers couldve used the AWD platform but didnt (GTS4 excluded, anyway, R32 was only 2L and R33 was RB25 N/A)

The engineers couldve used twin turbos (maybe even N1 turbos or such) but didnt

Instead they made something less focused on trackwork and more focused on being easy for anyone to drive...and drive fast. Remembering that the skyline was designed for, and used as Nissans flaship race model it seems funny that they would make a variant that has a different purpose, they've done it now though

For anyone that doubts the difference, go get one GTR and one GTST/GTT (as you prefer), take one for a drive(not to the shops, i mean a real drive), then get out of it and into the other car - do the same drive with the 2nd car. The differences should be obvious

Once again, im not saying GTST/GTT are buckets of crap or anything, so dont even bother trying to flame. Id rather sit in a GTST/GTT all day than a pulsar.....or a commodore

[markimak]

Im guessing you own an R32 GTR or are in love with them and can't see past you big nose to another perspective?

The 34 GTT has newer technology, ever heard of traction control, how about VVT? Things unheard of un 1989!

Obviously the suspension on a GTR is going to be better, but someone said 230,000kms on standard suspension, wake up mate the springs and ESP shocks wouldn't last that long, they'd be longggg dead along with most of the other bits n pieces (bush's blah blah). Its common sence 15 yr old suspension can be abit dodge (i know i sold mine with that being one of the reasons i cbf pourning anymore money into it).

Yes i agree paint is about condition, however 99% of 32 GTRs you see have average paint, together with the fact that 3 layer factory duco was again unheard of back in 1989 adds to my point, it won't be as nice as the 34s.

The engine, r34 neo's generally has less kms and have been driven alot less hard thus its harder to find one to pop, i agree if your goin for 400+rwhp then get an rb26, but even at those levels ive seen more rb26's pop than rb25s. You can't tell me a 15 yr old rb26 is goin to be in the condition a 5 or 7 year old rb25 will be in, thats fkn stupid. I KNOW ive seen it over and over and over, if your denyin it your just plain thick!

On the power note, 350rwhp in a rwd gt-t is a very quick package if you know how to drive it, yes a 32 gtr with awd will be easier, but put it down to the driver if they can manage it or not. You can't say that they have gone backwards in tech, thats dumb again, the gt-t and gts-t's have simply always been rwd. Its like sayin a Ferrari is backwards in tech because one of the models is RWD...

In terms of 350rwhp, you can make that witout a built rb25, everybody knows that, just go read through the forums, it seems 400rwhp is the stress point on the rb25, its all about how you treat a motor.

Also i know from expierance, you won't get over 350rwhp without stressing the standard gtr's turbos (which have usually been replaced due to age by now) and injectors are near at their limits there. I agree bolt some N1's on which is simple and you can make 400+rwhp, but thats also a level ive seen many many pop at, even blowing gearbox's in some cases...

Its fine for you to have an opinion, but you HAVE to be able to see both sides of the picture. The 32 GTR would be the best option if it was mint and the same age no question, but in 99% of cases its not and things go wrong with them. They are older in every aspect which is why there's more ppl voting its a downgrade on the forum because newer things generally have less problems

If the owner wanted performance only and had the cash its obvious.

If the owner wanted a nice comfortable daily, again its obvious.

Btw rant over/ hehehe

hmm TCS came on LS400 or celsior.. they are pre 89 cars.. now what came with any type of variable valve timming back then? ther is somethign but cant put my finger on it. aybe the mercedes A class?

i still think tcs is a waste of weight.. why retard the engine when u can attempt to put the power to the ground via an extra drive shaft. whats also wasted aswell is hicas. and that xenon headlight dipper too.

[jazza08]

But the GT-T isnt based ONLY on performance, its more comfort than a GTR which is why you get those options which may take away from performance but add in the other area. I meant on the Nissan Skyline models you can't compare traction control on another model/make car.

I agree a GTR is better than a GTST/GTT, thats obvious, but an older model GTR brings with it its age, which is why people are voting on the newer GTT, yes it has abit less performance but also less headaches

Also you are sayin tsc is a waste of weight, its a way to combat putting less weight on the car (if you made it awd it'd weigh more obviously) and keeping it rwd?

I have posted too many times in this thread everyone is allowed their opinions and they probably won't change too much... might become a spectator now hahahaha

[_8OO5TED_]

Id go a R33 GTR over a R34 GT-t.

I simply hate R32s

Drove my cousins 400hp R32 GTR the other night, and I couldnt wait to get out. Broken air vents, torn drivers seat, guard rust, noisy lifters and go-kart feel.

P.S I love my whale

Edited January 31, 2007 by _8OO5TED_

[GTR32GUS]

Who cares , both good cars buy what u like best

[Beer Baron]

Who cares , both good cars buy what u like best

amen.

I will say one thing that caught my attention. all the people comparing 1989 GTRs to 2000 GTTs. what about compare a 1994 GTR to a 1996 GTT...

also, I don't see TCS as a positive. it's lame. and more to the point there is no need for it on a standard GTR so it doesn't have it (and is much better for it).

anway, like I said before it depends on what you want. GTR is a kick ass car, but you may not want to drive it all the time. GTT is nice too but same thing. me personally I have 3 cars. one is a GTR (mint), one is a GTST (i'm a sucker for 32s). and one is a soarer. when I just want to go to dinner, or shopping etc, I take the soarer as it's like a lounge chair with an engine and gets me where I need to be without fuss. when I want to go to the track, or for a fun drive I take the GTR. and when I want to just let it all hang out and do a bit of sliding, or just have a thrash without all the other things that come with the GTR, I take the GTST. perfect.

[Beer Baron]

Id go a R33 GTR over a R34 GT-t.

I simply hate R32s

Drove my cousins 400hp R32 GTR the other night, and I couldnt wait to get out. Broken air vents, torn drivers seat, guard rust, noisy lifters and go-kart feel.

P.S I love my whale

lol, just because your cousins 32 is knackered doesn't mean they all are. I have one. zero broken air vents, no torn seats at all, no rust at all, no excess lifter noise, no dash bubbles etc etc. personally the 33 interior reminds me a bit of a mid 90s camary...

[Cubes]

Id go a R33 GTR over a R34 GT-t.

I simply hate R32s

Drove my cousins 400hp R32 GTR the other night, and I couldnt wait to get out. Broken air vents, torn drivers seat, guard rust, noisy lifters and go-kart feel.

P.S I love my whale

lol I really wonder how many kays some of these 'nackered' R32's have done.

Mine was imported back in 1998 and until now its clock reads 225,000km's.

Zero broken airvents, zero rust, perfect dash, no rips in the seat, yes its bushes have just recently started leaking and the heatercore has only just started leaking.

And most importantly........ No rattles.

LMAO at the noisy lifters... Thats because the Rb26 runs solid lifters. LMAO. They are all slightly noisy be it R32 or R34 GTR.

[Topaz]

Drove my cousins 400hp R32 GTR the other night, and I couldnt wait to get out. Broken air vents, torn drivers seat, guard rust, noisy lifters and go-kart feel.

So his choice was to put money into the engine and not into anything else. Nothing wrong with that

[gun32gtr]

Id go a R33 GTR over a R34 GT-t.

I simply hate R32s

Drove my cousins 400hp R32 GTR the other night, and I couldnt wait to get out. Broken air vents, torn drivers seat, guard rust, noisy lifters and go-kart feel.

P.S I love my whale

mine 2 is mint inside no vents broken and seats are real real good.just cause ya cousin bought a clapped out gtr dont

[_8OO5TED_]

LOL, lots of quoted posts there. keen R32 enthusiasts love a good debate! Its all good

[gun32gtr]

yeh i love my 32gtr...lol

[femno]

Me too!!

[GTRsean]

Gotta love the GTR experience, as a whole.

[sinistaGTR]

Look Go drive both and see what you like f**k asking everyone else what they think there both great cars....

[gun32gtr]

^^^^^^^^^^^^6ONLY TRUE WAY TO DECIDE for yaself

[tridentt150v]

I'm waiting for a GTR32 on club plates.....lol, older pipe smoking tweed jacket dude owner, pork pie hat, waxing on lyrically about triple chromed grease nipples at a veteran and vintage show.

Nah, its good to see so many people on here passionate about doing up all those old skylines.....................hahaha