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There is only one version of the F-CON V Pro; there's no difference between the stand-alone and piggy-back one.

And as for being locked into a HKS Tuner... fine by me; he does a good job, guarantees his tunes, doesn't charge through the roof and is trained by some of the best in the world... why not?

LOL we've covered this topic so many times before... I knew as soon as I started typing that the critics / non-believers would jump on me :laugh:

small business dont stay around for ever

whos to say what your next hks delegated tuner is like.........

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big businesses dont stay around for ever either

id like to be able to take my tune elsewhere , look at the tune , see what their doing , diagnostics etc

im not saying its a not good product , it probably rules awesomely but their restrictive trade policies discourage a lot of potential purchasers

Edited by arkon

There is a 33GTST FCon on NZ's trademe (liek ebay) with a small reserve (i think around 500) if anyone wants one ill buy it and then they can send me the money and ill ship it over.

Likewise a r33 power fc for 1100.

Sorry if my last post come along a little strong, it annoys me when people comment on something they have no knowledge of as it simply ruins the purpose a forum. I come here to troll information and share experiences and a "links crap" comment really doesnt help anyone.

Im a through and through power fc fan however looking at the prices of a link and the specs its simply hard to ignore. Most of us arent tuners so the hand controller has little meaning and if we wanted to look at engine specs with a link i can plug in my laptop and use their free software (no datalogit here)

I use to be a huge Link critic as their last models were pretty average however my tuner has one on a supra putting out 600odd rwkws and the computer made 75kws more than on the Power Fc with the same mods and tuner.

The link as below as the G2 LinkPlus which is the flagship model and below is the G3

http://www.linkecu.com/products/engine-man...e-In/LinkPlusG2

http://www.linkecu.com/products/engine-man...g3-whatdoesitdo

Here is also a link to the free software

http://www.linkecu.com/products/TuningTool...nkFullScreenPic

I must admit the one thing i find frustrating about these forums in particular is the Power FC debate. If someone took the time to go and look at the specs vs price im sure many more people would change their tune!(bad pun)

Edited by SirRacer

power fc's r the most overrated things man

get a wolf 3d - $1000.00

or better still the new wolf v500 - $1795.00

deffinately better than any power fc and has way more tuning points than the pfc

if u need a tuner in melbourne rank rotary in mentone is your best bet he is one of the best in the country and one of my boyz works there too great to work with.

rather than just saying its better how about providing some useful info on to what features are better and how they help the average skyline owner.

this would give all the people interested some insight and help a few people.

saying "its better" doesnt help much, be buggered if im spending $500 more over another ecu for no reason.

how many more tuning points?

Well Being a tight arse I wanna see some real world $

Power FC = $1000 + Install = Free + Tune = $500 = $1500 total <-- yes i know you can't get some of them any more

Wolf V500 = $1800 + Install(adapter harness) = $300 + Tune = $500 = $2600 drive away

Rom Tune = $0 + Install = $300(Rip i know) + Tune = $500 = $800

F-CON = $2k + Install = $300 + Tune = $1k = $3300 total

These are some prices from my experience.

Would be great to hear some comparisions and others like link / haltech ??

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Jesus are we still raving on about this...

F-CON

(If you take brand new everything)

Parts: $2k

Install: $300

Tune: $1k (first tune), about $500 each and every re-tune

In saying that though; I believe in the phrase "you get what you pay for"... don't see any of the Motec boys n girls complaining about the extreme prices ;)

rather than just saying its better how about providing some useful info on to what features are better and how they help the average skyline owner.

this would give all the people interested some insight and help a few people.

saying "its better" doesnt help much, be buggered if im spending $500 more over another ecu for no reason.

how many more tuning points?

$1,895.00

Description:

Welcome to the latest in high performance Engine Management, with class-leading performance and value.

Compact, powerful and with the latest features, the Wolf V500 offers 5th generation features through 14 years of research and development.

Click here to download the Wolf V500 ECU Brochure, Specification Sheet, PC Software and Manual

Click here to open a new Wolf V500 ECU Features window

8 Smart, Full sequential Injector outputs, driving 1-32 injectors, including high flow, low impedance injectors down to 0.5ohms per output pin.

The V500 injector driver system reports live status of all injector channels including peak and hold reached times, injector current, short, weak and open circuits.

8 Full sequential Ignition outputs, driving 1-8 ignition coil packs in sequential, banked, single, rotary or inverted modes.

Latest 3D graphing, live dashboards and Datalogging software.

Advanced high-detail Fuel, Ignition and Control mapping systems, 2048 points at 125rpm steps with Easy Tuning modes.

Wide-Band Air-Fuel-Ratio (Lambda) system.

Dual Memory system, Power/Economy, Petrol/Gas modes and more.

Control Functions:

* 16 General Purpose Output (GPO) functions supporting Auxiliary Outputs, with windowed switching

* 6 MultiController Output (MCO) functions, supporting 3D and 2D multi-axis tables for mapped linear control of any extra outputs desired, including PWM, solenoid position and trim control of internal ECU parameters

* GPO and MCO functions can support VTEC/VVT, NOS, Water Spray, Stepper Motor, Emissions Control, Idle Up, Warning Lights, and any other additional devices required.

* Wide-Band Air-Fuel-Ratio (Lambda)

* Closed Loop Control

* Idle Speed Control

* Stepper Motor Control

* Turbo Boost/Wastegate Control

* Turbo Timer support

* Shift Light function, dedicated with up to 6 stages and flash point.

Dedicated Inputs:

* 13 Auxiliary Input pins available as many extra inputs

* Camshaft, Crankshaft, Reference and Sync Trigger inputs, Hall Effect, Reluctor and Optical, user selectable

* Internal MAP sensor up to 30psi boost (higher with external sensor)

* External MAP or MAF Sensor

* Throttle Position

* Engine Temperature

* Lambda/Oxygen Sensor, Dual Channel, Narrow Band or Wideband LSU4

* Air Conditioning Request

* Vehicle/Wheel Speed

Dedicated Outputs:

* 15 to 27 Auxiliary Output pins available as extra outputs (unused Injector and Ignition pins can be used)

* 8 Smart, Full sequential Injector outputs

* 8 Full sequential Ignition outputs

* Fuel Pump

* Thermo Fan

* Idle Speed Control

* Tacho Output

* Turbo Timer

Sensor Inputs have full OEM-style diagnostics and error checking on each input, detecting out of range or faulty sensors, correcting them to a safe value, and reporting the fault via a flash-code system. Any errors logged can then be inspected by the Wolf V500 PC Software included.

Security system preventing unauthorized engine starting.

* Requires connected Wolf Dash V500 for operation

Wolf Dash V500 support, connects to Wolf Dash V500 for on-dash monitoring and tuning.

* Runs engines up to 16 cylinders with full rotary engine support and odd cylinder counts allowed.

* Internal MAP sensor reads boost pressures up to 30psi.

* Supports most existing sensors in the vehicle, saving wiring and installation time.

* Latest 32 bit processor running at 40MHz with Dual Time Co-Processors, giving precise sequential delivery of fuel and ignition and supporting all other functions including high speed Datalogging with no performance loss.

* Weighs only 500 grams and measures 126mm x 114mm x 39mm.

Supplied with wiring harness, quick start guide and searchable installation manual.

The new Wolf V500 PC Software is included free with every V500 ECU:

Latest 3D graphing and ECU tuning procedures

ECU Datalogging with Variable Speed Playback

Unique Time-shifting function to save last 30 seconds of action before recording initiated!

Easy Setup knobs and sliders with instant live adjustments to a running ECU, see and feel your changes without delay.

Latest 2D graphing and sensor calibration options.

The kit contains:

1 x Wolf V500 ECU

1 x Wolf V500 Main Loom

1 x Wolf V500 Input Trigger Loom

1 x PC Software and Help File CD

1 x PC Serial Cable

1 x Set of ECU Mounting Brackets

1 x Warranty Card

2 x Wolf Sticker

this is from the site

is that enough chief

i have a few friends who changed from other ems to v500 as soon as they came out

one mate s14 a had power fc changed to wolf v500

one mate rx7 s5 had microtech changed to wolf v500

and like i said one of my friends work at rank rotary and they tune them up real good mate they compare them to motec they cant stop raving about them when i lose my licence i will take my car off the road and other than a turbo upgrade ill be getting one of these for sure

Doesn't help that much, when we are looking for a power fc replacement which is a lot cheaper.

It sounds really good but at $1000 extra my wallets not coming out of its warm little pocket.

It looks like the there is no competitor in the $1000 ecu market ?

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