34 Gtt V Supra Tt

[shaolin]

Go the skyline GTT... f**k the supra...

[VB-]

LOL shaolin

and yeah for the those who mentioned it, your exactly right, lets compare a built up and stroked 3 litre RB to a stock 2JZ.... nice comparison. and even then i dont think the RB's any better

there was a poll ages ago on skyline gtt vs supra, and it was pretty much even, supra might have even won, and this is a skyline forum.... the main point made was that the GTR would be better, but i dunno why that keeps coming up, the thread is about the GTT

[deant1]

stock, i don't think the GTT can even get a sniff of the supra's performance (RZ supra that is) but then again the price difference is miles apart also.

but in terms of building up the 34 chassis. considering the GTT is lighter AND the chassis is stiffer. Engines are very simiular when the RB is built up, stroked and/or 3 litre block, i really cannot see why some people still think supras are lightyears ahead.

neo head is actually a very good head also, good flow, solid lifters etc. 2j's head arn't all that perfect. although the blocks are damn close.

really i think some people just used the initial assumption of GTT is the crap version of the 34. no where near standards of supra bla bla.

in reality i think if you dropped in all the GTR 34's performance parts excluding the AWD you would find on a dry track the GTT certanly would not get left behind. since really all the GTR has over the GTT is traction, not much of an issue with track rubber. weight is most often the biggest factor.

Edited July 25, 2007 by deant1

[R34NRG]

if you asked me this 2 years ago i would have gone for the 34 gtt. and i did. but latey 34s are becomming so much more common. no where near the supras but if ur after power figurs yeh the supra has it.

but for a mint late model TT ur lookn at 50k+ so id be comparing that to a gtr

[deant1]

harder to find yea, but this thread just so ppl know was not a 'which one should i buy thread'.

it was just a general discussion of potentials of toyota and nissan world with these cars

[FordyR31]

Maybe I missed something... Whats the point in having a 3L bottom end so RB30DET and a 2.8 stroker kit? What does it have, RB30DET or RB25DET with 2.8 stroker? Either way i'd have the supra, not as common in twin turbo as the 34's r becoming. If I could have afforded the actual labour I would have bought a 1/2JZ for my car rather than a 25 but with Nissan being so damn compatible right throughout the years the RB25 was the "cheaper option". Supras in my opinion r a nicer looking car, easier to get to ur power goal safer and something ppl would probably enjoy more i think. As much as i like the skylines they r the s**t of the import world followed closely by other Nissan models lol.

Liam

[Macross]

Originally I was just going to say "f**k supra's they're shit" but I thought I might do a serious reply.

you could even think of it like this. supra VVTi RZ $35k or 34 GTT $25k so you get 10k to spend on the 34 to match the supra...

Firstly, a VVTi supra is harder to modify than a non-vvti for little benefit. And the cost is closer to $25k for a Series 1, well sorted un-modified version.

well thats my point. it wont be a 10 second car. it will be around 300rwkw. which is what i'm saying. well within GTT limits.

racing performance, ie. maximum response not a lag monster to destroy 400m....

i don't understand why the supra is so much better?

3 litre 2jz - redline 7k (without more work)

car weight: 1570 or so

any suspension/ body bracing setup

any turbo setup

any lsd

3 litre 25 with forged internals - redline 7k (without more work)

car weight: 1480

any suspension/ body bracing setup

any turbo setup

any lsd

both are obv rwd and both have the same choice of turbos given that the 25 would be sorted with forgies etc.

so what exactly makes the supra the clear winner??? aerodynamics

My Supra weighs 1480kg with half a tank of petrol, 1570 would be a GZ model which has leather seats, seat warmers, etc.

Stock redline is 6800rpm (kicks in at 7200rpm) but stock springs/retainers are still reliable for a 7500rpm redline - some claim to be running 8000rpm redlines on their stock heads, but personally I think 7500rpm is a safe limit.

Supra comes stock with Bilstein suspension and torsen LSD, which is an outright advantage for the Supra already.

300rwkw could easily be acheived with a GT30/35 on a supra and would have a bucketload more response than the same turbo on a 2.8l engine... Why do people assume you can only get a huge turbo for supras?

Look at the Amuse Supra. It runs a GT30 using a STOCK manifold with a special Amuse-made bolt on t3 flange. That car runs something like 600nm of torque from 3000rpm all the way to 7200rpm and thats with stock fuel system and only minor bolt on mods.

[Rucker34]

the supra does have a better engine that’s for sure. according to the high performance imports mag no.80 they compared the 2jz and the rb26dett they came to the conclusion that the 2jz is better than the rb26 if your going for high power with out having to do out all the internals.

so yeah its going to out do a gtt. but unless you only want it for the 1/4 mile what’s the point? you can still get a great amount of power out of the rb25det (more than enough 2 put a smile on your face)

like someone sed earlier the newer supras are about 50 grand and i no 4 sure i would not be throwing a penny of that at a supra when your just about able 2 get yourself an R34 GTR. Big power is not everything put a highly tuned supra on a track with a fairly stock gtr and i think it would still get hammered. anyone who goes out and spends that sort of money on a supra is mad if you ask me.

I would still go for the GTT over the supra. The engine may not be up to the 2jz's but nor is the bloody GTR if all you are worried about is power and I think we all know what we would pick out of those 2. the R34 i think is a better looking car inside and out (don’t know what ppl are talking about when they say it is very plastic inside, have they ever been in one?) and it still has potential to put out more than enough power.

just my opinion though im only new to the world of fast cars seeing as i have only had my GTT about 6months n she is still stock at the moment.

[VB-]

if you want a quick supra, you go for a 95-96, that way you can get big brakes, and NO VVTI. you can get a nice clean one for 25k, i've also seen 10 sec supras selling for under 30k, granted its not a common occurence, but they do come up.

and why does everyone think the supra will automatically handle like sh*t? i think the skyline may handle better, but i wouldnt say its THAT far ahead of the supra, not at all, supras can be made to handle very well, without too much hassel

[BAMR33]

why not r33 GT-R...

[deant1]

Originally I was just going to say "f**k supra's they're shit" but I thought I might do a serious reply.

Firstly, a VVTi supra is harder to modify than a non-vvti for little benefit. And the cost is closer to $25k for a Series 1, well sorted un-modified version.

My Supra weighs 1480kg with half a tank of petrol, 1570 would be a GZ model which has leather seats, seat warmers, etc.

Stock redline is 6800rpm (kicks in at 7200rpm) but stock springs/retainers are still reliable for a 7500rpm redline - some claim to be running 8000rpm redlines on their stock heads, but personally I think 7500rpm is a safe limit.

Supra comes stock with Bilstein suspension and torsen LSD, which is an outright advantage for the Supra already.

300rwkw could easily be acheived with a GT30/35 on a supra and would have a bucketload more response than the same turbo on a 2.8l engine... Why do people assume you can only get a huge turbo for supras?

Look at the Amuse Supra. It runs a GT30 using a STOCK manifold with a special Amuse-made bolt on t3 flange. That car runs something like 600nm of torque from 3000rpm all the way to 7200rpm and thats with stock fuel system and only minor bolt on mods.

Interesting, i always thought the VVTi was an improvement for low down torque or something like that? iv seen RZ 96 models for around 25 so i guess that adds more advantage to the supra.

[deant1]

Maybe I missed something... Whats the point in having a 3L bottom end so RB30DET and a 2.8 stroker kit? What does it have, RB30DET or RB25DET with 2.8 stroker? Either way i'd have the supra, not as common in twin turbo as the 34's r becoming. If I could have afforded the actual labour I would have bought a 1/2JZ for my car rather than a 25 but with Nissan being so damn compatible right throughout the years the RB25 was the "cheaper option". Supras in my opinion r a nicer looking car, easier to get to ur power goal safer and something ppl would probably enjoy more i think. As much as i like the skylines they r the s**t of the import world followed closely by other Nissan models lol.

Liam

Na that was the options. either a 3 litre that would rev to 7 without reinforcing the block n the rest of it. or a 25 stroked to 2,8 litre that will still rev to 8-9, whichever floats ur boat.

i wasn't saying a 3 litre block with the 2.8 stroker kit too!

[mad082]

well the supra you could reliably get 300kw without having forgies, which means that you can drive it cold without having to worry about damaging the motor. forgies + driving cold can do damage.

i reakon that if you were to buy a supra and just bolt a turbo on you would get more power for less money.

[deant1]

Arn't all turbo toyotas forged internals?

pretty sure the supra TT is forged.

drop forged proberly not, pressed probably. same outcome really.

Edited July 26, 2007 by deant1

[adam-__-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKvF08Gt8N4

For those who thought the Supra was a boat.

[mad082]

For those who thought the Supra was a boat.

there are r34 owners who call r33's boats even though the r34 is heavier.

[32N4DR]

it would be interesting to see both on the 1/4. on paper the supra has the edge but i just dont see a supra doin over the r34. i go to the strip quite often, and the only examples i see that post good times are the ones with 600 kw dyno sheets. even then they only run like 12s when there power would suggest better. ditto the 34's. at the end of the day a well driven magna usually does a better time than either car standard. theres quite a few around here that run deep into the 14s, baby seat in the back and all. the looks on ss and xr6turbo drivers faces when they realise they lose to a magna is priceless. conclusion... forget the boy racer cars and get a sleeper in the form of a 3.5 manual magna!

[mad082]

i think the stock time quoted for the supra is 13.0 and the r34 gtt is low 14, so the supra would hose it.

at the end of the day a well driven magna usually does a better time than either car standard. theres quite a few around here that run deep into the 14s, baby seat in the back and all. the looks on ss and xr6turbo drivers faces when they realise they lose to a magna is priceless. conclusion... forget the boy racer cars and get a sleeper in the form of a 3.5 manual magna!

i got one. 99 model executive, 100% stock manual with just a cat back exhaust and ran a 14.84 on my first outing. 60ft time of 2.18 on 15 x 205 tyres.

[VB-]

Interesting, i always thought the VVTi was an improvement for low down torque or something like that? iv seen RZ 96 models for around 25 so i guess that adds more advantage to the supra.

yeah VVTi is good for that reason, but there isnt alot of aftermarket support for it

[shaolin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKvF08Gt8N4

For those who thought the Supra was a boat.

Must have been some sort of camera trick...