Another Z32/q45 Question

[r33cruiser]

sup guys i have done some pretty serious engine mods recently, and need to upgrade my afm.

is it possible to run the z32 or q45 off the stock ecu with a SAFC?

dont even think about saying "buy a pfc" ITS NOT GONNA HAPPEN

would like to know if stock ecu (remapped or standard) and a SAFC will run it.

please only have clear answers

cheers

Edited September 12, 2007 by r33cruiser

[abu]

Hey buddy

The SAFC is a fuel only computer, so short answer no you wont be able to run the Z32 off it. That also applies to after market injectors.

You can run the Z32/Q45 with a REMAP ECU with no issues, but if you were to go with a REMAP or any form of after market stand alone ECU (WOLF, MICROTECH, PFC etc) there would be no need for a SAFC as the REMAP, WOLF, PFC, MICROTECH will do EVERYTHING for you.

An SAFC is only a fuel only computer, piggy back, which alters the signals from the ECU, where as a REMAP is basically a full retune of the standard ECU.

Hope that helps.

Edited September 12, 2007 by abu

[The Mafia]

I'm pretty sure these units have the ability to change the airflow curve to suit a different MAF.

Its worth reading up to find out.

Got any links to the documentation on these units?

[abu]

I'm pretty sure these units have the ability to change the airflow curve to suit a different MAF.

Its worth reading up to find out.

Got any links to the documentation on these units?

I got heaps of shit at home man, manuals etc but currently at work.

I remember when I bought my SAFC II, I was assured that Z32 wouldn't be supported along with after market injectors.

SUPER AIR FLOW CONVERTER is what SAFC stands for, which does actually imply in a way that it should be able to configure a Z32.. according to air flow signals.

But it's all a bit technical for me.

Will get supporting documentations up for everyone tonight once I get home.

Abu

Edited September 12, 2007 by abu

[R31Nismoid]

If you've done enough mods to warrant a bigger AFM.

Then that also warrants a decent ECU. Not a band-aid like a S-AFC

[abu]

If you've done enough mods to warrant a bigger AFM.

Then that also warrants a decent ECU. Not a band-aid like a S-AFC

That is true.

An SAFC is just like a temporary solution/supplement... best to get a tune done, that will show the best results/gains.

Even a piggyback ECU such as E-MANAGE will show you good results at a lower cost than say a PFC.

Edited September 12, 2007 by abu

[Beer Baron]

Hey buddy

The SAFC is a fuel only computer, so short answer no you wont be able to run the Z32 off it. That also applies to after market injectors.

You can run the Z32/Q45 with a REMAP ECU with no issues, but if you were to go with a REMAP or any form of after market stand alone ECU (WOLF, MICROTECH, PFC etc) there would be no need for a SAFC as the REMAP, WOLF, PFC, MICROTECH will do EVERYTHING for you.

An SAFC is only a fuel only computer, piggy back, which alters the signals from the ECU, where as a REMAP is basically a full retune of the standard ECU.

Hope that helps.

that's not right mate. SAFC alters air flow signal which actually affects fuel AND timing. and yes it can be used with a Z32 AFM on an RB25 and can probably cope with larger than stock injectors. so will it work? yes it will. is it ideal? no it's not. if you are upgrading injectors and AFM then something like a Power FC is a wiser choice. but if you are set on it the SAFC II will still work.

[QWK32]

safc II can convert a z32 afm signal to a signal to match your car, its part of the setting up. it asks what type of signal is inputted and what signal you would like to output. and you can run larger injectors, the safc has nothing directly to do with them, just changes afm signal and then the ecu changes its output signal to the injectors. one thing to keep in mind is like what Beer Baron said, your timing is also effect by these changes.

safc is only ideal for slight afr changes, like a tune for a car with exhuast, air filter, fmic and boost up a bit.

whats your reason for staying with the stock ecu?

[r33cruiser]

wow lot of info there, thanks guys.

the SAFC is the series 1 SAFC not the 2nd one.

will this still work?

also, i would like to get a pfc, but feel it is a waste of money as i am only aiming for 260+rwkw, i know it is always good, but dont want to waste the money on it.

although, if the price is right i might consider it

so will a safc 1 work with a z32, also i am putting in some 550cc injectors aswell, been told by chapmans that they do it all the time.

anyone out there actually done it>????

thanks for ur advice guys

Edited September 12, 2007 by r33cruiser

[paulr33]

you dont judge if a powerfc is justifiable or not by rear wheel killowats

its judged on user ability, car response once tuned and how it performs over all

ive got a powerfc at 190rwkw and its the best thing ive done to the car of all of my mods

i couldnt recommand a stand alone ecu (setuip correctly) high enough out of all the mods anyone would do to a skyline

sure if powerfc isnt your thing, then go greddy or remap or motec or autronic or link or SOMETHING etc etc

the point is, get a real ecu or remap the bastard and the car becomes a new car

once all the load points are tuned (regardless of ECU) the car should drive like a different car

thats what you pay the $1000 for. for the amazing throttle resspone, for the good economy, for the rapid boost build and torque when u need it

forget about rear wheel killowats

[paulr33]

if you go for 260rwkw with injectors, afm etc and you do actually get it working properly (good luck)

you will spend ages mucking around, the tuner will get angry and take longer (cost $$$)

and youll end up with a big comprisemise and you have to tippy-toe around deontation cos the piggyback dials in more timing automatically (part of the nature of bending the afm signal)

by all means do it and save $1000 etc but another guy with 220rwkw and a good tune on a real ecu will smash you in all of the usual comparisons, average power, ramp up power, boost build, lag, response, ability to smoke tyres etc

the tune is the biggest thing here, get that right, and the car should be the best, regardless if you use 480cc or 520cc or 11psi or 13.34psi etc etc...

[Adriano]

+1 with what paul said, and as a side note, there is no way you will get 260rwkw with a safc2, let alone a safc1, they are limited to about 220rwkw.

[The Mafia]

omfg, you thoguht you were going to "omly" go for 260rwkw with a safc1?

Your delusional.

You're only option is a powerfc or other standalone ecu. I don't even think you'll be able to get a Re-map to suit that sort of power level.

[r33cruiser]

we'll see, stay on topic mate

well, looks like i will go for a standalone ecu:blitz, mines.

NFW am i buying a pfc. every man and his dog has one.

and yet, they are hell expensive.

easy to say buy one if ur not a uni student, and a casual employee. BE REALISTIC

i will look into a standalone ecu. any suggestions would be sweet.

ps still want to run safc

Edited September 12, 2007 by r33cruiser

[paulr33]

anyway you have enough info to make an informed decision

if you have a local remapper guy and he is ok with doing injectors and afm go for it

it will be much better than the safc comprimise

[paulr33]

we'll see, stay on topic mate

well, looks like i will go for a standalone ecu:blitz, mines.

NFW am i buying a pfc. every man and his dog has one.

and yet, they are hell expensive.

easy to say buy one if ur not a uni student, and a casual employee. BE REALISTIC

i will look into a standalone ecu. any suggestions would be sweet.

ps still want to run safc

ok you are set in your ways so i will stop caring and offering advice at this point

but dont buy a blitz or a mines ecu, they are pointless as there are no mines or blitz tuners in australia

so you may as well stick with the stock ecu and just be done with it.

get a locally supported ecu and get someone to tune it correctly

every man and his dog has a powerfc because they are the easiest, cheapest, quickest, well supported and best bang per buck ecu

sure motec is great but for 3 grand why would when you get the majority of the crap you need for 1k instead

if you are looking at a stand alone ecu look at;

apexi powerfc

greddy emanage (remap piggyback)

link ecu

wold 3d

autronic

motec

hks fcon

but as you will know none of those come cheap, as they are standalone systems

and if you do go for some exotic ecu find out how much for tune and how many workshops can support it

if only one workshop in aus supports it then whats the point, its gonna cost you 10 billion $ for a tune

[mr_rbman]

we'll see, stay on topic mate

well, looks like i will go for a standalone ecu:blitz, mines.

NFW am i buying a pfc. every man and his dog has one.

and yet, they are hell expensive.

easy to say buy one if ur not a uni student, and a casual employee. BE REALISTIC

i will look into a standalone ecu. any suggestions would be sweet.

ps still want to run safc

every man and his dog has a pfc for a reason.

Your going on about 260rwkw's but then saying your a uni student and casual employee. It'll cost u money to make that power and u NEED a stand alone computer of some sort, its not a luxury in your case its a necessity.

[r33cruiser]

haha, alright cheers man i do appreciate it.

i just installed a turbo, pump, reg, clutch, diff, safc, injectors, z32

and would like to get as much power out of that as possible

been told by chapmans i can make 260kw...

cheers guys, u can finally lay this one to rest

its always funny to see the old codgers get rilled up because they think that their way is the only way to make HP.

anyway guys see ya at a later date

Edited September 12, 2007 by r33cruiser

[The Mafia]

Paul is right, is a waste of time trying to help this guy. Buying an ECU to be "different" is the dumbest thing I have heard since trying to run a RB30 crank in a RB26 block. Let me guess, you painted your car a special colour to be different too?

Go on, tune your SAFC to run 260rwkw, I dare you. I bet you spend more money than a powerfc costs trying to get it to run properly.

f**k some people on this site make me laugh.

[r33cruiser]

but in saying that, verbal abuse aside, if i do see a pfc at the RIGHT price i will think about it.

Edited September 12, 2007 by r33cruiser