Gym And Supplement Discussion

[dezz]

f**k I hate this thread these days, far too many self proclaimed experts talking absolute rubbish, and rubbishing anything and everything others have to say.

[bozodos]

that's the fitness and health world for ya, everybody's an expert except for beginners

yeah Dan HIIT stuff kills me even if it's only for a short time still, but I've noticed that doing a lot of strength training has now enabled me to start doing cardio without feeling like I'm going to die. From all of my reading, and from what I've seen with my own progress, it's doing a lot more benefit for me than the 3km walks or steady state treadmill work I was doing previously. Which is good, because I'm not a huge fan of doing hours of cardio (purely for excercise that is)

[Birds]

And like a battered wife you keep coming back for more

[Birds]

A muscle twice as strong only has to work half as hard, hence cardio is easier

But then you have a bunch of other stuff, fast and slow twitch and blah blah who cares.

[No Crust Racing]

And like a battered wife you keep coming back for more

You really have a way with words....

Dezz: Yeah I think you get that with any topic that people are passionate about, divided opinions that is. Some people are better at feeling OK with the fact that others prefer to do things their own way as it works for them whereas some insist there's only a few ways it can be done and get their panties in a bunch when people find a way that works for them but doesn't conform to the masses. In reality, depending on the topic and the context both views can be accurate.

Feel free to throw your 2 cents in though, it's always good to have extra opinions and you can always do it hit and run style like TTT who tends to go about it drive by shooting style

[No Crust Racing]

Question: Is incline press considered a better/more complete exercise or more "compound" exercise than flat?

I've only ever flat benched.

If I can get some extra shoulder/arm work during the bench portion of the session that's a nice bonus.

[markos]

More compound?

It either is or it isn't a multi joint movement

I would do both

[No Crust Racing]

By "more" I simply mean, more involvement from other major muscle groups that will benefit.

As I understand it, the incline will hit the shoulders and potentially tri's a bit more than flat, depending on grip.

Is that a fair call or have I got it ass about?

If you had to choose one only, I already spend a good hour plus by the time I've warmed up so more time is not on the cards.

[Birds]

Question: Is incline press considered a better/more complete exercise or more "compound" exercise than flat?

I've only ever flat benched.

If I can get some extra shoulder/arm work during the bench portion of the session that's a nice bonus.

They are both compounds. I think what you mean to ask is, which one involves more work or is more effective?

Have heard some bodybuilders say incline is the better exercise for hypertrophy. Meanwhile, from a lifter point of view, incline is just a great assistance exercise for increasing your flat bench and targeting weakness in the main lift; it has more emphasis on delts than chest. Common to do with dumbells, as this involves more stabilisers than a barbell. I used to do flat bench, then a back exercise, then incline press...I found this allowed my shoulders to recover from bench a bit before hitting incline.

Wish I could still do it

Maybe one day...

[No Crust Racing]

*thinking face and chin scratching*

Hmmm.

[Birds]

Why does it take you an hour to warm up?

[No Crust Racing]

Ugh, I'm not very clear today (got woken up 5 times last night).

Bit over an hour for my session including warmup.

Sessions is about 55mins, warmup is usually 10-15mins.

[Birds]

What exercises do you do in that session and what's your weekly routine look like?

What do you do for warmup?

[No Crust Racing]

Aww shit I'm about to get Birds'ed

All the details are in my hektik build thread.

As for warm up it is almost entirely having a very good stretching through all my arms/back/legs/bad ankle whle I talk with Kate about how my/her days was. Then I'll go and grab an empty bar and do a few squat reps to loosen up more before getting in to it.

[Birds]

Haha nah I'm just curious...though I was looking for a reason you can't fit incline in as well as flat bench. Do it instead of stretching back and legs and talking to missus. The latter can be done after sex.

[No Crust Racing]

Honestly, If I was going to add any exercises/time to my routine they would be leg focused.

Probably enough upper body stuff in there already.

After sex lol, after sex I am doing nothing but zzzzzzzzz and maybe some light dribble.

[Birds]

How many times a week do you workout? Is it split routine or grouped or? CBF reading through build threads.

[No Crust Racing]

M/W/F routine as listed in build thread.

Used to be 3x8 at set weight, been recently playing with 5x5 and increasing weights with each set + shorter breaks.

Edited June 20, 2013 by ActionDan

[Birds]

Increasing weights with each rep, that's a fair talent you have...you must be tired

When I was capable of doing more upper body exercises, I used to do a split: two workouts, twice a week, for 4 sessions all up. They went for just over an hour each, so was able to fit in a fair few exercises including incline and decline press, several lat movements etc. It all worked well without one exercise interfering with another too much. Only leg exercises were deads and squats.

Then shoulder injury...and suddenly I'm doing the opposite...more leg exercises than upper body. This does feel a lot better when you consider the tree analogy, that a tree is only as strong as it's trunk and trunks are supposed to be 10 times thicker than branches. Even if I do return to a lot of my upper body movements, I'll prolly stick with the ideology that legs should have more emphasis. It is fortunate that squats are such a complete leg exercise, though, where as the upper body needs 4 or 5 different exercises to work everything in there...so it's not too bad if your routine has a focus on upper body, as long as you are doing those big three compounds IMO.

[No Crust Racing]

Hahah yes I fixed the typo.

I put that routine together based on various readings and advice from many on here so I don't have too many complaints about it.

It was hard to adapt to no curling...... (not really)

Squats and deads are getting "somewhere" When I started doing them it was with an Ezy bar and 30kg total weight and my ankle was all "f**k you man". Now at least it's at BW and my ankle is more like "ok I can deal with that but you may not also jog daily and work on the car too much on weekends, walking is fine and some car work is fine but if you disregard my wishes I shall swell up like a mofo and jam up on you playa!"

So yeah he's a bit of a dick sometimes...