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I'm looking into adding another oil cooler in my car. Don't want the oil temps to climb like they do now. Purpose: drifting.

Thanks!

The Gibson Motorsport GTRs had twin engine oil coolers, one in each front guard.

I found that:

* the actual cooler used

* ducting to/from the cooler

made a massive difference to engine oil temps (down from 130+ rising deg to 100-110deg stable) at the track.

I wrote a thread on it some time ago but basically you need a good cooler (I used Serck Speed

and had fittings made by Pirtek) and ducting before/after it to get the best results. The lone Just Jap

cooler I've seen looks very similar to my cooler in design and weight but apparently you need to be careful

of the fittings that come with them.

Adding another cooler should be basically exactly the same as adding one; find an appropriate place, put

the appropriate ducting in, mount the cooler/ducting properly, and connect the 'out' line from the first to the 'in' port of

the second.

Regards,

Saliya

we run two coolers in our circuit car. One heat exchanger in the p.s radiator tank and then one 19row pwr air oil cooler in the d.s front guard. problem now is we cant get oil temps even warm!

i run a 19 row core, with a themro stat, in front of rad, no ductiing, Motor pushing 280 rwkw and with oil and water temp guages, oil temp doesnt see over 100 degrees, EVER, water temp hovers around 88 degrees.

this is a car that is drifted, and well.

we run two coolers in our circuit car. One heat exchanger in the p.s radiator tank and then one 19row pwr air oil cooler in the d.s front guard. problem now is we cant get oil temps even warm!

any chance i could get some pics of this sent? im in the process of installing a hks oil cooler on my r33 and wanted to put in it the same position (just want to see mounting points)

thanks :D

we run two coolers in our circuit car. One heat exchanger in the p.s radiator tank and then one 19row pwr air oil cooler in the d.s front guard. problem now is we cant get oil temps even warm!

run a t/stat ours even with twin coolers heats up to to optimal temp and then stays there..... indefinately.

here is ours, but the new car 08 car has them boot mounted though with the trans and diff coolers..

i noticed with drift cats car you dont have the coolers mounted upside down.. do you have a reason for this.. i would have thought it'd be a pain in the ass to take the coolers off to drain them each oil change..

also wat intercooler is that?

coolers should NEVER be mounted upside down.

Is there a specific reason for this The only reasons i can see is the potential for an air pocket will be created,or the oil only flowing through the bottoms rows.

Edited by marky
The Gibson Motorsport GTRs had twin engine oil coolers, one in each front guard.

I found that:

* the actual cooler used

* ducting to/from the cooler

made a massive difference to engine oil temps (down from 130+ rising deg to 100-110deg stable) at the track.

I wrote a thread on it some time ago but basically you need a good cooler (I used Serck Speed

and had fittings made by Pirtek) and ducting before/after it to get the best results. The lone Just Jap

cooler I've seen looks very similar to my cooler in design and weight but apparently you need to be careful

of the fittings that come with them.

Adding another cooler should be basically exactly the same as adding one; find an appropriate place, put

the appropriate ducting in, mount the cooler/ducting properly, and connect the 'out' line from the first to the 'in' port of

the second.

Regards,

Saliya

Saliya is spot on, ducting is very important, otherwise airflow just takes the easy course and goes around the cooler instead of through it. Particularly if the car is sideways. So if you already have a decent sized cooler then I suggest ducting it properly will fix the problem.

BTW, the Gibson cars ran 2 coolers for the long distance events (Bathurst etc), for sprint races I only saw one cooler in use.

Cheers

Gary

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