Let's Talk Piggy Backs

[STATUS]

emanage can't and wont blow up your engine. the tuner might though... but yeah, providing the tuner knows what he's doing i'm sure you'll enjoy the results from the emanage. that goes for any ecu really. in general they are only as good as the guy tuning them. hardly any set-ups reach the limit of the ecu they are using.

I almost wish I had an emanage in the silvia so I could interface the profec E-01 I have with it... in fact, trent, what did you do with the emanage out of my silvia when you put the PFC in it?

oh, and I'm not sure who's tuning your car, but if you haven't settled on someone firmly yet then you should talk to "uras" on this forum. not many in aus know as much as he does about emanage and tuning them. I'd not hesitate in letting him tune mine that's for sure.

i think i got a new old stock s13 p'n'play kit laying around, will have a look.

[femno]

You shouldnt even need a ECU to hit 200 or close to.

With a FMIC, dump and front and catback, you should be right.

Saw it with my own eyes last week. My mates 25 equipped 32 with those exact mods (even stock airbox) and an 040 Bosch pump, no boost controller, on a brand new DD dyno. 201kw.

If I was you I would:

Get hold of a standard ECU and use that since your current remap is shit

Get a nice 3" dump and front, 'ultra high flow' cat

Get a good panel filter

With those you should hit close to your goal of 200 without anything else. If you did choose to still go the emanage then you would achieve better fuel economy and a crisper drive, depending on tuner of course.

[Beer Baron]

yeah but it will run much better properly tuned with the emanage. sure he can get 200 with the stock ecu, but economy for 1 goes out the window. the car will be much punchier/crisper with a good tune in it. and will get better economy too.

and trent, thanks mate.

[Parag0n]

I don't reccomend an E-Manage even on a stock setup, fork out the $1k for the Microtech LT-10 and find a good tuner and you won't be dissapointed.

[Benzino33]

You shouldnt even need a ECU to hit 200 or close to.

With a FMIC, dump and front and catback, you should be right.

Saw it with my own eyes last week. My mates 25 equipped 32 with those exact mods (even stock airbox) and an 040 Bosch pump, no boost controller, on a brand new DD dyno. 201kw.

If I was you I would:

Get hold of a standard ECU and use that since your current remap is shit

Get a nice 3" dump and front, 'ultra high flow' cat

Get a good panel filter

With those you should hit close to your goal of 200 without anything else. If you did choose to still go the emanage then you would achieve better fuel economy and a crisper drive, depending on tuner of course.

Yeah I did think of that, but then as Beer Baron said, fuel economy will b worse then, and Ive already bought the emanage and Im goin through with the tune, the fmic goes in tomorro and getting a 3" front pipe comin soon

[STATUS]

You shouldnt even need a ECU to hit 200 or close to.

With a FMIC, dump and front and catback, you should be right.

Saw it with my own eyes last week. My mates 25 equipped 32 with those exact mods (even stock airbox) and an 040 Bosch pump, no boost controller, on a brand new DD dyno. 201kw.

If I was you I would:

Get hold of a standard ECU and use that since your current remap is shit

Get a nice 3" dump and front, 'ultra high flow' cat

Get a good panel filter

With those you should hit close to your goal of 200 without anything else. If you did choose to still go the emanage then you would achieve better fuel economy and a crisper drive, depending on tuner of course.

impossible.... unless running stoopid boost.

[STATUS]

I don't reccomend an E-Manage even on a stock setup, fork out the $1k for the Microtech LT-10 and find a good tuner and you won't be dissapointed.

Never.... a calculator would do a better job. I do a alot of microtech tuning and i can tell you they are shit.... extremley basic (will make peak power) but are poor for cruise, very coarse mapping points etc... the emanage blue could match the lt-10s power delivery easy but offer far better driveablilty.

im sick of people saying the microtech is a good ecu for rb's... they arent unless your after the cheapest least featured ecu that will JUST run your car. The only person who defends them are owners who dont know what they are missing.

[Parag0n]

Never.... a calculator would do a better job. I do a alot of microtech tuning and i can tell you they are shit.... extremley basic (will make peak power) but are poor for cruise, very coarse mapping points etc... the emanage blue could match the lt-10s power delivery easy but offer far better driveablilty.

im sick of people saying the microtech is a good ecu for rb's... they arent unless your after the cheapest least featured ecu that will JUST run your car. The only person who defends them are owners who dont know what they are missing.

Another Microtech hater, sure they're not the don of all ECU's but for what he wants and the price it's better than an e-manage, or are you one of those tuners that will only tune JDM ECU's.

I've seen tunes on microtech tunes on 9 second cars running the relatively basic lt-10 on engines that will run this time consistently.

Or are you just saying that Microtechs will be shit at tuning RB based engines? Again, seen scores of GTS-T's and GTR's running basic bolt on's using a lt10 being tuned on a mainline dyno to perfection.

It's not like he is going to need a M880 to run what he plans on having.

[SS8_Gohan]

if the cars been remapped, have you asked Trent about looking at that? might be able to sell the emanage, get the remap fixed up and have some money to buy some other supporting mods?

[Klymax]

Another Microtech hater, sure they're not the don of all ECU's but for what he wants and the price it's better than an e-manage, or are you one of those tuners that will only tune JDM ECU's.

I've seen tunes on microtech tunes on 9 second cars running the relatively basic lt-10 on engines that will run this time consistently.

Or are you just saying that Microtechs will be shit at tuning RB based engines? Again, seen scores of GTS-T's and GTR's running basic bolt on's using a lt10 being tuned on a mainline dyno to perfection.

It's not like he is going to need a M880 to run what he plans on having.

A hater he may be sounding like but from how I read URAS' post I see him acknowledging this ECU will make high (peak) power but in turn suggesting the drivability of the capable tunes to be disappointing when comparing them to even the basic e-manage ECU.

As you say 9sec cars run on these ECU's but how comfortable/economical would these cars be tuned for? I would suppose they are tuned for maximum output over driver "feel." The appliction in question as yourself stated you are aware of, suggests is not for making people say "WOW nice dyno graph" but instead acheiving a healthy comfortable tune.

Edited May 5, 2009 by Klymax

[STATUS]

Another Microtech hater, sure they're not the don of all ECU's but for what he wants and the price it's better than an e-manage, or are you one of those tuners that will only tune JDM ECU's.

I've seen tunes on microtech tunes on 9 second cars running the relatively basic lt-10 on engines that will run this time consistently.

Or are you just saying that Microtechs will be shit at tuning RB based engines? Again, seen scores of GTS-T's and GTR's running basic bolt on's using a lt10 being tuned on a mainline dyno to perfection.

It's not like he is going to need a M880 to run what he plans on having.

i take it you have one? i tune everything from Haltech, Motec, Autronic, Mircrotech, Adaptronic, Emanage, Reytec, Vipec, Link, PFC, Wolf, VCM suite, BRE and i can tell you the microtech is the BLUNTEST tool among them.

Carbies do 6 second passes should we all go buy one?

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

i take it you have one? i tune everything from Haltech, Motec, Autronic, Mircrotech, Adaptronic, Emanage, Reytec, Vipec, Link, PFC, Wolf, VCM suite, BRE and i can tell you the microtech is the BLUNTEST tool among them.

Carbies do 6 second passes should we all go buy one?

lol

trent i spoke to cat and i'll be in next thurs... i can grab that nistune sr20 ecu while i'm there if you get the time (no rush tho, i haven't even got the cat yet...)

[femno]

impossible.... unless running stoopid boost.

No, thats what it pulled. Spiked to 11 then bled down to 10 up top, like I said, no boost controller, just straight hose from intercooler to actuator. And no, the intake sensor was not hanging near the exhaust manifold!

Anyways....get the tune done and let us know how you go, I would expect youll be impressed with the end result.

[Beer Baron]

lol, microtech LT10 good ecu? muhahahaha. like trent said I have a small solar powered calculator that puts out better engine control in a dark room.

[bozodos]

Just FYI, it took me 3 goes to start my car this morning equipped with a Microtech LT10S POS. Thats tuned by CRD too.

How can you recommend them to anyone. They are also incompatible with ATTESSA if equipped. When i can afford to, I'm pulling mine out in favour of something that will actually start the car first go in the cold and won't give big block type fuel consumption.

I'd be trying the piggyback, though apparently Dr Drift does some sort of remap or Nistune type job for the R33 ECU now?

[STATUS]

Just FYI, it took me 3 goes to start my car this morning equipped with a Microtech LT10S POS. Thats tuned by CRD too.

How can you recommend them to anyone. They are also incompatible with ATTESSA if equipped. When i can afford to, I'm pulling mine out in favour of something that will actually start the car first go in the cold and won't give big block type fuel consumption.

I'd be trying the piggyback, though apparently Dr Drift does some sort of remap or Nistune type job for the R33 ECU now?

yeah there is a few remap options available now but they are dear, best off with a new ecu. I cant justify them to my customers.

Edited May 6, 2009 by URAS

[R33 Eddy]

Would a SAFC NEO be alright to get the car running nice around 200-220rwkw or would the emanage be better for the same thing? I will be basically doing the same things as Ben. Full exhaust, FMIC, new coil packs, 11psi stock turbo (Max) and maybe fuel pump upgrade.

Thanks Ed

[Parag0n]

i take it you have one? i tune everything from Haltech, Motec, Autronic, Mircrotech, Adaptronic, Emanage, Reytec, Vipec, Link, PFC, Wolf, VCM suite, BRE and i can tell you the microtech is the BLUNTEST tool among them.

Carbies do 6 second passes should we all go buy one?

No, I have a Power FC currently. Also owned a HKS FCON V Pro on a heavily modified GTR.

I hope you're not a Microtech distributor because you seriously stated some shit ECU's in your spiel that Microtechs have lengths on in tuning capacity.

This debate is over for me, you wont change your mind because apparently you're an all knowing "TUNING GOD", and I won't change mind because I've gone through enough cars and ECU's to have the knowledge of a good ECU and tune.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Parag0n

[dnbosiris]

Would a SAFC NEO be alright to get the car running nice around 200-220rwkw or would the emanage be better for the same thing? I will be basically doing the same things as Ben. Full exhaust, FMIC, new coil packs, 11psi stock turbo (Max) and maybe fuel pump upgrade.

Thanks Ed

should be easily possible, I have the mods in my sig and made 195rwkw on 10psi with stock fuel pump

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

No, I have a Power FC currently. Also owned a HKS FCON V Pro on a heavily modified GTR.

I hope you're not a Microtech distributor because you seriously stated some shit ECU's in your spiel that Microtechs have lengths on in tuning capacity.

This debate is over for me, you wont change your mind because apparently you're an all knowing "TUNING GOD", and I won't change mind because I've gone through enough cars and ECU's to have the knowledge of a good ECU and tune.

lol.... i think i'lkl take trent's word thanx...