R32 GTS-T or R33 GTS-T

[dontfeelcold]

Got a R31 silhouette series2 but looking to upgrade to either an R32 or R33 GTS-T

Feel free to post the pro and cons of these two cars.

I like the way the silhouette handles (stiff shocks and lowered 2 1/2 inches) and i have heard the r32 handles a little better than the r33, is this a weight thing or a shock, spring and suspenion arm setup thing?

whats a reasonable price for these two cars unmodified in ok condition.

thanks for any input

Josh Kemp

[dontfeelcold]

woops wrong thread

[QuickR33Melb]

Well I have owned both.

I think you will find the RB25 a slightly more responsive engine and the R33 seems to have a little more wow factor when you pull into a street full of school girls. lol

[TTT]

Search for an R32 GTST with the RB25det engine..

I've owned an R32 GTST, driven a few R33 GTST's and been around in an R32 GTST with RB25det and I have to say that it is a whole new car.

The instant torque and lighter car = perfect combo.

[R32-GTS]

I dunno about the r33 having more wow factor ?? MAybe to a bunch of whale schoolgirls haha

R32 Gts-t is always going to be faster than a R33 with the same mods because of the lighter weight. R32 also feels more nimble on its feet.

Mine used to run 13.3 with boost exhaust and a intercooler which i think an r33 would be hard pressed to do that.

[MM2death]

Say no to R33! Who really cares about whales anyway?

Scott

[dontfeelcold]

i like the look of the r32 better (more racey). Did nissan bring out a r32 with the rb25det or would i have to do the converison myself (might aswell do the rb30det conversion then. easy, crazy power) Will the rb30 block fit into a r32?

[JimX]

R32 Gts-t is always going to be faster than a R33 with the same mods because of the lighter weight. R32 also feels more nimble on its feet.

The same could be said with regards to an S13 and an R32, so the question to be asked is why didn't you get an S13? Any choice you make in a car is a compromise on something and a lot of people seem to forget that. The R32 is not universally better than the R33, nor vice versa.

There's a lot more to choosing a car than getting the lightest thing possible. People continually bag out the R33 for being heavy, but everyone seems to forget that it's still 200-300kg lighter than a Commodore or Falcon.

On top of everything else, my motorcycle is lighter and faster than your R32

[rev210]

yeah see I ran 13.3 without a fmic in the R33 and others with a fmic have run 12.9 on the stock turbo so the old R33's can be made to go quite well. There are alot that are slugs tho' due to poor tuning.

I think the R32 is going to be a better handling choice once modified. And does offer power to weight advantages once serious mods to the engine begin.

[Guest MFX_R33]

If you like the look of the R32 better as more of a raw race look (a lot do), get it. But although they are lighter, the R33's have a bigger, more powerful engine to start with. And in my experience R33's still tend to be quicker with equal mods inspite of the extra weight. If you start looking at other things, the interior or the 33 is much nicer, and basically it is a newer car. Considering they are now going for around the same price, I would go the 33.

Jeff.

[Zahos]

Like everyone says.... personal choice

I was in the EXACT same position u r in (had R31 silhouette, and wanted to upgrade), but I made up mind rather quick.....

I picked the R33 for the following reasons:

- I'm 192cm tall, and the R32 (with sunroof) was too squashy

- You spend more time looking at the interior of the car than you do the exterior, so get something you like. Personally, I can't stand the cluster of the R32 coz it reminds me of a VN commodore. The R33 interior is more comfortable....

- Newer car

- And IMHO, I think it looks much nicer.

The main reason I considered the R32, was the cost factor. If I got that, I would have had more money for mods.

So make sure you weigh up all the things that matter to YOU before you make a decision...

[PTR33]

Any time this guestion is asked you will always get a whole bunch of R32 owners claiming that their cars are 10% lighter than a R33. (it's more like 4%)

But you won't hear many of them mentioning that the R33 has a 25% bigger engine that is 16% more powerful and has 11% more torque.

Specs...

Nissan Skyline R33 GTS25t type M specifications II

Engine

Engine type RB25DET

Type Water cooled Inline 6 cylinder DOHC 24 valve IC turbo

Bore × stroke 86mm×71.7mm

Displacement 2498cc

Compression ratio 9:1

Fuel system

Max power 184kW @ 6400rpm

Max torque 294Nm @ 4800rpm

Supercharger IC equipped turbo

Fuel tank capacity 65 litres

Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline

Fuel consumption 9.8 l/100km

LEV approved No

Transmission

Type 5 speed manual

Drive layout FR

Limited slip differential Standard

Steering and Suspension

Steering type Power assisted rack & pinion

Front suspension Independent suspension multiple link system

Rear suspension Independent suspension multiple link system

Front brakes Ventilated disk

Rear brakes Ventilated disk

Front tyres 205/55r16 89v

Rear tyres 205/55r16 89v

Turning circle 10.4 m

Dimensions

Exterior length 4640mm

Exterior width 1720mm

Exterior height 1340mm

Interior length 820mm

Interior width 1415mm

Interior height 1090mm

Wheelbase 2720mm

Front track 1480mm

Rear track 1470mm

Ground clearance 145mm

Weight 1370kg

0-100: 6.18

400m: 14.39

Nissan Skyline R32 GTS-t type M

Engine

Engine type RB20DET

Type Inline 6 cylinder DOHC 24 valve IC turbo

Bore × stroke 78mm×69.7mm

Displacement 1998cc

Compression ratio 8.5:1

Fuel system

Max power 158kW @ 6400rpm

Max torque 265Nm @ 3200rpm

Supercharger IC equipped turbo

Fuel tank capacity 60 litres

Fuel type Unleaded premium gasoline

Fuel consumption 10.5 l/100km

LEV approved No

Transmission

Type OD attaching 5 speed floor shift

Drive layout FR

Limited slip differential Standard

Steering and Suspension

Steering type Power assisted rack & pinion

Front suspension Independent suspension multiple link system

Rear suspension Independent suspension multiple link system

Front brakes Ventilated disk

Rear brakes Ventilated disk

Front tyres 205/55r16 88v

Rear tyres 205/55r16 88v

Turning circle 10.4 m

Dimensions

Exterior length 4530mm

Exterior width 1695mm

Exterior height 1325mm

Interior length 1805mm

Interior width 1400mm

Interior height 1090mm

Wheelbase 2615mm

Front track 1460mm

Rear track 1460mm

Ground clearance 145mm

Weight 1320kg

0-100: 6.49

400m: 14.63

Gee, look at that. Lower 0-100km/h and 400m times and better economy.

Remember, not everyone mods their car to the eyeballs.

Long live the whales.

[VIPERGTSR01]

good points.

Long live the whales

[MM2death]

I'm not buying any of this!!! It's all a conspirasy. ;p

And who mentioned that about looking at the interior more than the ex. Maybe i'll write that down because when i buy another car in the future, i'll only look on the inside and judge from that. :birdie:

Oh and the 33 interiors are so boring.

No pun intended. (we all are skyline lovers)!

Scott

[Zahos]

I'm not buying any of this!!!  It's all a conspirasy. ;p

And who mentioned that about looking at the interior more than the ex.  Maybe i'll write that down because when i buy another car in the future, i'll only look on the inside and judge from that. :birdie:  

Oh and the 33 interiors are so boring.

No pun intended.  (we all are skyline lovers)!

Scott

Gettin' a little defensive there ay Scottie?

I know the truth hurts mate, but no-one is out to get ya. We're all one big happy Skyline family here, and no one thinks of you any differenly just b/c your R32 interior resembles that of a VN commonwhore.

(also no pun intended)

Zahos

[VIPERGTSR01]

and no one thinks of you any differenly just b/c your R32 interior resembles that of a VN commonwhore.  

Zahos

[CerealKiller]

stock R32 can be had for around $14K

stock R33 can be had for around $17K

I went with the R32 because it looked better (IMO), and is less common than the R33. I'd prefer an RB25DET but I'm not really complaining, a lightly modified RB20DET will still knock the pants off most cars on the road.

A RB30DET will fit (barely) in a R32. Sydneykid has one (I think).

If you're a tall bloke the R32 might be a bit squashy for you. I'm 6'1 and 70kgs yet I find my R32 a bit squashy. I'm not sure how I'll trackday with a helmet (I have a sunroof so I have less headroom). The seats are nice and comfy and hold me in tight, if you're large I'd go the R33.

[Rb20_4valve]

i got a 13.9 out of my r32 and all it had was full zorst, pod and hard as f@#* coilovers, never seen a r33 pull these times

it is still personal preferance

[Cubes]

I've driven a friends R33 GTS-T with exhaust, FMIC and a bit of boost - 175rwkw.

It felt so big compared to the R33, the first thing I noticed is it is difficult to see behind you.

The down low torque and seamless boost is very nice to drive. Much better than the no torque off boost RB20 that only just starts to pull around 3.5k.

HOWEVER..

Once on boost I prefered my r32 that was making ~164rwkw on 1 bar of boost. The R32 felt much easier to bag the rears leaving a corner due to its harder hitting torque when punching out of the corner.

Both are nice cars.. I prefer the R32 interior, it is more race feel with tight seats nice sloping dash (unlike a VN which is squarish). I like the R33 shape a little better when it has a large set of wheels, no body kit and a respectable looking exhaust (not to large).

If I were to buy again I would go the R33 as it has a higher final power out put level with less lag. I've come to dis-like the lag of the RB20 in traffic.

It has held its own in the past against a dead stock R33 GTR. At the time I had a full exhaust, 12.5psi, stock IC, stock airbox/filter & 152rwkw.

I launched at ~4000rpm and freaked it with little wheel spin, he launched at 5000rpm however his reaction time was a fraction of a second slower. I held in front through every gear. The LS1 VX Manual was left behind.

After all that... Go the R33.

OR...

Find out what is involved with converting (inspections etc) say a cheap, mint condition R32 GTS NA 2.5ltr and build up a 3ltr bottom end, bolt on the RB25DE NA head then bolt on a exhaust manifold/turbo, ecu and make a decent super responsive 450-500hp

[AutoTrust]

I love all skylines, I prefer the 33 to the 32, but then again I prefer 4 doors to 2 doors.....go figure. I would ideally like to pass on my 33 to the missus and start again with a 34 4 door. Too pricey at this stage. Which ever you choose will be an improvement on your current ride and you will enjoy. Also there is merit in the fact that the newer the model the better the condition in general. It comes down to budget and features and what you come accross. Happy hunting :boobs: .....cos i like 'em