Stay Away From Polishes And Waxes........ Use Clear Coat !

[NISSAN GTR]

You still dont get it do you? I said the clearcoat we thought you were referring to is a type of paint that is sprayed on. Not something like a polish. The yellowish and blemish I'm going on about is for the paint spray type of clearcoating.

Anyway this is the mother product I'm using. Its comparable to zymol's finish from memory (used to work for sparkles detailing and I find zymol's result is the best I've seen).

http://www.mothers.com/02_products/10116.html

the product makes a shine like nothing i have ever seen before , this actually looks like a shell over the paint, like factory spray on hard coat , This product is wiped on let go to a haze and buffed off , the only hard coat that is sprayed on is when you get your car painted in the factory . what happen to you carbon fibre wing what did you do !

[Brandon]

Shit. Sanded it down and re-clearcoated.

[PM-R33]

Ohh so we aren't talking about a spray on paint protection, we are talking about a "liquid polish" you put on. Well im not sure what you're on about than. Pure carnauba wax is the hardest natural protectant applied to vehicles. Then there are also synthetic waxes/polishes that do the same thing, however they don't last as long as natural carnauba wax, they can however give better shines and easier applications.

At the end of the day whatever you are talking about is a wax/polish, simple as that. No magic liquid that you have discovered.

"Stay away from polishes and waxes.....use clear coat".

a) Clear coat is all ready on your car

b) Products are put onto the clear coat to protect it and give it a smooth texture for a high glossy shine

This product you are using falls into this category, so it is a polish/wax, therefore contradicting yourself. I think you are confusing yourself a bit.

Edited November 30, 2009 by PM-R33

[SS8_Gohan]

guys, this guy is just trying to his push his pos product

a few things to point out

1) you're not adding a clear coat! you are adding a sealant that "supposedly" lasts for 2 years - news flash, NONE OF THEM DO!

2) if you have a pos, faded, red car, your magic snake oil 'climat' ain't going to do squat! You know why? because it's not POLISHED or had a WAX applied! You would need a machine, a polishing pad, some polishes - you would carry out the paint correction and THEN apply a wax to protect the paint.

In general terms...

sealants > wax at protection (water etchings, bird droppings, longevity, etc)

wax > sealants for "looks"

Want the best of both worlds? apply a sealant TOPPED with a wax. Simple.

As i said in the other post (that the OP is so conveniently avoiding) the max time you'll get from a sealant is ~6months. That is with very thorough prep work, good application process and very good washing procedure. Maybe stretch it out another month or so with good washing technique. That is it ladies and gentlemen. Anything more can be thrown into the "miracle cure" basket, it's all marketing BS

Put it this way, would any of you obviously be gullible enough to pay the $1k for paint protection on a new car? This shit is NO DIFFERENT. It costs say $80-$100 to the stealer, charge you $1k and tell you you don't have to touch the car for 2 years. BULLSHIT! Nothing lasts that long and especially not the shit you get for a new car. Paint protection is the biggest rip-off new car option to tick.

Finally, this is what using both POLISHES and WAXES achieve that no snake oil product anywhere will ever be able to get close too...

From this...

To this

Hours of work (and considerable skill), the best products, and you get, the best finish. You DO NOT get a mirror finish without a lot of effort, and good products.

I hope this post is somewhat educational and perhaps now this spammer will disappear from these forums

[Brandon]

guys, this guy is just trying to his push his pos product

a few things to point out

1) you're not adding a clear coat! you are adding a sealant that "supposedly" lasts for 2 years - news flash, NONE OF THEM DO!

2) if you have a pos, faded, red car, your magic snake oil 'climat' ain't going to do squat! You know why? because it's not POLISHED or had a WAX applied! You would need a machine, a polishing pad, some polishes - you would carry out the paint correction and THEN apply a wax to protect the paint.

In general terms...

sealants > wax at protection (water etchings, bird droppings, longevity, etc)

wax > sealants for "looks"

Want the best of both worlds? apply a sealant TOPPED with a wax. Simple.

As i said in the other post (that the OP is so conveniently avoiding) the max time you'll get from a sealant is ~6months. That is with very thorough prep work, good application process and very good washing procedure. Maybe stretch it out another month or so with good washing technique. That is it ladies and gentlemen. Anything more can be thrown into the "miracle cure" basket, it's all marketing BS

Put it this way, would any of you obviously be gullible enough to pay the $1k for paint protection on a new car? This shit is NO DIFFERENT. It costs say $80-$100 to the stealer, charge you $1k and tell you you don't have to touch the car for 2 years. BULLSHIT! Nothing lasts that long and especially not the shit you get for a new car. Paint protection is the biggest rip-off new car option to tick.

Finally, this is what using both POLISHES and WAXES achieve that no snake oil product anywhere will ever be able to get close too...

From this...

To this

Hours of work (and considerable skill), the best products, and you get, the best finish. You DO NOT get a mirror finish without a lot of effort, and good products.

I hope this post is somewhat educational and perhaps now this spammer will disappear from these forums

NICE. Yes I have to agree to all that you've said but not sure about the OP. The sealant we're talking about will last around 6months- MAX 1yr under perfect condition. Its all stated in the instruction on the bottle I've got. I will just stick to the 6months and a layer of carnuaba wax on top of that. After that its only an occasional polish which will bring it back to the shiny self again. I've seen the work of doc detail with getting rid of swirl marks. I wish I can do that too... =(

[Carbon 34]

they use in USA dealerships as well, its called "additional dealer profit" it does turn yellow or flake off wont last beyond 4-5 years even garaged

I was selling it to unsuspecting customers when I worked for the a large car lot, dont recall who made it , but they also did a scotchguard type product for seats. at about 500% markup...lol

there are a few that work pretty good, one in OZ called "Fireglaze"... sold by the car painting supply stores, pretty cheap too , worked as good if not better then Megs NXT, or Mothers Showglaze. not sold on how long it lasts?? but I have some test parts in the sun,rain, salt air to see

one for USA , My stepdad used on his 100% Show car was "Liquid Glass" think its from Eastwood restorations company. you could hold a burning cig into it without hurting it. and it wasnt anymore then Zymoil in cost.

[PM-R33]

As i said in the other post (that the OP is so conveniently avoiding) the max time you'll get from a sealant is ~6months. That is with very thorough prep work, good application process and very good washing procedure. Maybe stretch it out another month or so with good washing technique. That is it ladies and gentlemen. Anything more can be thrown into the "miracle cure" basket, it's all marketing BS

Exactly right. Hell up here with our harsh sun i barely get 4 months out of a good wax application. I do mine about every 3 months depending on how much sun the car gets and what condition the paint feels after a good wash.

Very nice photos there, heard a lot about his work, pictures do the talking

[(OO)SKYLINE(OO)]

guys, this guy is just trying to his push his pos product

a few things to point out

1) you're not adding a clear coat! you are adding a sealant that "supposedly" lasts for 2 years - news flash, NONE OF THEM DO!

2) if you have a pos, faded, red car, your magic snake oil 'climat' ain't going to do squat! You know why? because it's not POLISHED or had a WAX applied! You would need a machine, a polishing pad, some polishes - you would carry out the paint correction and THEN apply a wax to protect the paint.

In general terms...

sealants > wax at protection (water etchings, bird droppings, longevity, etc)

wax > sealants for "looks"

Want the best of both worlds? apply a sealant TOPPED with a wax. Simple.

As i said in the other post (that the OP is so conveniently avoiding) the max time you'll get from a sealant is ~6months. That is with very thorough prep work, good application process and very good washing procedure. Maybe stretch it out another month or so with good washing technique. That is it ladies and gentlemen. Anything more can be thrown into the "miracle cure" basket, it's all marketing BS

Put it this way, would any of you obviously be gullible enough to pay the $1k for paint protection on a new car? This shit is NO DIFFERENT. It costs say $80-$100 to the stealer, charge you $1k and tell you you don't have to touch the car for 2 years. BULLSHIT! Nothing lasts that long and especially not the shit you get for a new car. Paint protection is the biggest rip-off new car option to tick.

Finally, this is what using both POLISHES and WAXES achieve that no snake oil product anywhere will ever be able to get close too...

From this...

To this

Hours of work (and considerable skill), the best products, and you get, the best finish. You DO NOT get a mirror finish without a lot of effort, and good products.

I hope this post is somewhat educational and perhaps now this spammer will disappear from these forums

Yeah right...

You got a point there Daniel.

+1

[NISSAN GTR]

guys, this guy is just trying to his push his pos product

a few things to point out

1) you're not adding a clear coat! you are adding a sealant that "supposedly" lasts for 2 years - news flash, NONE OF THEM DO!

2) if you have a pos, faded, red car, your magic snake oil 'climat' ain't going to do squat! You know why? because it's not POLISHED or had a WAX applied! You would need a machine, a polishing pad, some polishes - you would carry out the paint correction and THEN apply a wax to protect the paint.

In general terms...

sealants > wax at protection (water etchings, bird droppings, longevity, etc)

wax > sealants for "looks"

Want the best of both worlds? apply a sealant TOPPED with a wax. Simple.

As i said in the other post (that the OP is so conveniently avoiding) the max time you'll get from a sealant is ~6months. That is with very thorough prep work, good application process and very good washing procedure. Maybe stretch it out another month or so with good washing technique. That is it ladies and gentlemen. Anything more can be thrown into the "miracle cure" basket, it's all marketing BS

Put it this way, would any of you obviously be gullible enough to pay the $1k for paint protection on a new car? This shit is NO DIFFERENT. It costs say $80-$100 to the stealer, charge you $1k and tell you you don't have to touch the car for 2 years. BULLSHIT! Nothing lasts that long and especially not the shit you get for a new car. Paint protection is the biggest rip-off new car option to tick.

Finally, this is what using both POLISHES and WAXES achieve that no snake oil product anywhere will ever be able to get close too...

From this...

To this

Hours of work (and considerable skill), the best products, and you get, the best finish. You DO NOT get a mirror finish without a lot of effort, and good products.

I hope this post is somewhat educational and perhaps now this spammer will disappear from these forums

you need to go to japan , im just letting people know there are better ways than turtle wax and no im not selling , just trying to help people be aware . Come on amateur!

Edited December 7, 2009 by blingtr

[handbrake]

like SS8 Gohan says... you cant get a magical one off product to do the job. It takes hard work to get a perfect mirror finish with the right prep (cleaner paste and clay bar), the right polishing compounds and a DA polishing device/assorted pads (I use the festool rotex 150). You then need to maintain it with your choice of sealant and waxes (I use both a sealant and wax for extra deep shine). Then you need to be careful washing the car to minimise swirling, I use a foam cannon after rinsing.

this is probably more than most are willing to do.

good sources of info to start with are:

autogeek

autopia

[SS8_Gohan]

rotex :drools:

Mark, should check out forums.finalinspection.com.au - lots of great info and great products too

you need to go to japan , im just letting people know there are better ways than turtle wax and no im not selling , just trying to help people be aware . Come on amateur!

need to go to japan for car detailing?? what the hell for? There are NO top detailing products coming out of Japan. Period. Best polishes? German/Australian Best waxes? European/Australian

Australia is included due to Final Inspection's product line-up.

You're calling me an amateur and your thread is titled "stay away from polishes and waxes.... use clear coat"? ALL our cars have a clear coat! And generally damn soft ones as well... so you're advice is..... use nothing?? Very "professional"

Your 'climat' ain't going to do SHIT for that V35, in the condition it was. THERE IS NO MIRACLE ONE-STOP PRODUCT! You can get products with fillers, tints, etc... but you NEED a polish to carry out the paint correction after the proper prep work.

And you contradict yourself all over the place

This product is wiped on let go to a haze and buffed off , the only hard coat that is sprayed on is when you get your car painted in the factory

That hazing and buffing... that's a wax/sealant you retard! And yes, the clear is applied at the factory - so why the f*ck are we "staying away from waxes" when the very stuff you're applying is essential a wax?

f*cking amateur...

[Basti]

daniel chill out man. this dude obviously has no clue. no need to let him drag you into a flamewar.

once i actually get some proper pain on my car (a good respray i mean) i'll be visiting damien. i absolutely love his work

[Brandon]

Yea... clueless... I tried explaining to him like twice already. CASE CLOSED!

[Jap_Muscle]

i think all your idiots (SSH_Gohan included) need to chill the hell out.

this guy found a great product and is trying to share it with the rest of us. have you all forgotten this is what makes forums great?

way to go to the idiots that just flame him for trying to do a honest thing. if what his using is really crap (which you guys dont have any proof of what so ever) just say so politely. Why do you guys need to call him names and his info spam?

not everyone can afford FINAL INSPECTIONS work.....and for some they just might want to try BlinGTRs stuff.

btw BlinGTR i know you might feel a little annoyed at some of the users responses but lets not start calling ppl f**king amateurs.

u flamin mongrels need to chill out.

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

no what you got is someone feeding information that he honestly knows nothing about..