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I'm sure I'll get your point any time now.

The point was that the most famous example of a great driver walking away from a team happened at - wait for it - the Canadian Grand Prix.

Niki Lauda did a number on Bernie Ecclestone's Brabham team in 1979. He walked out on the race weekend after a practice session.

In 1981 Nelson Piquet won the drivers championship in a Brabham.

So the point was that unlike Niki Lauda Mark Webber is unlikely to just walk away from his team.

Next time I will try & remember most of the people here are completely unaware there was F1 before Schumacher turned up.

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The point was that the most famous example of a great driver walking away from a team happened at - wait for it - the Canadian Grand Prix.

Niki Lauda did a number on Bernie Ecclestone's Brabham team in 1979. He walked out on the race weekend after a practice session.

In 1981 Nelson Piquet won the drivers championship in a Brabham.

So the point was that unlike Niki Lauda Mark Webber is unlikely to just walk away from his team.

Next time I will try & remember most of the people here are completely unaware there was F1 before Schumacher turned up.

Um ... excuse me, I'm well aware of what happened with Nelson Piquet. I may not know my F1 history as well as you but I do know a few things. I just don't understand why you thought I would confuse Mark Webber with Nelson Piquet. I never meant to imply that Mark was on the verge of quitting, just that leaving a successful team is not without precedent. Mark has admitted that he considered leaving F1 at the end of this year. I'm sure you're well aware of the demands of being an F1 driver, so it shouldn't surprise you that drivers may consider leaving it all behind. Past success is no guarantee of future success. How many times have we seen teams go from championship winners to also-rans in 6 months? Lots of drivers would rather quit while they're still successful than wait until they're struggling for points to walk away.

Um ... excuse me, I'm well aware of what happened with Nelson Piquet. I may not know my F1 history as well as you but I do know a few things. I just don't understand why you thought I would confuse Mark Webber with Nelson Piquet. I never meant to imply that Mark was on the verge of quitting, just that leaving a successful team is not without precedent. Mark has admitted that he considered leaving F1 at the end of this year. I'm sure you're well aware of the demands of being an F1 driver, so it shouldn't surprise you that drivers may consider leaving it all behind. Past success is no guarantee of future success. How many times have we seen teams go from championship winners to also-rans in 6 months? Lots of drivers would rather quit while they're still successful than wait until they're struggling for points to walk away.

Look sorry if you took offense I certainly didn't mean any.

I was just expressing my opinion that Webber isn't the sort of bloke just to chuck it all in - unlike Lauda who/which was the most apt reference (because of the GP) that came to mind.

Just as an aside Piquet only left F1 because he could no longer get a decent drive. He went & did the Indy 500 (from memory) and smashed his legs up. A set of circumstances that I blame Tom Walkinshaw for.

Like you say lots of drivers leave successful teams - mostly because they are either getting beaten by their team mate (eg Mansell from Ferrari or maybe Lauda from McLaren) or from just bad judgement about their teams prospects (eg Chris Amon from Ferrari).

It is much less common for drivers to leave at the top of their game and not regret it. For example Alan Jones left Williams & did regret it. Both of his come backs were ordinary.

Look sorry if you took offense I certainly didn't mean any.

I was just expressing my opinion that Webber isn't the sort of bloke just to chuck it all in - unlike Lauda who/which was the most apt reference (because of the GP) that came to mind.

Just as an aside Piquet only left F1 because he could no longer get a decent drive. He went & did the Indy 500 (from memory) and smashed his legs up. A set of circumstances that I blame Tom Walkinshaw for.

Like you say lots of drivers leave successful teams - mostly because they are either getting beaten by their team mate (eg Mansell from Ferrari or maybe Lauda from McLaren) or from just bad judgement about their teams prospects (eg Chris Amon from Ferrari).

It is much less common for drivers to leave at the top of their game and not regret it. For example Alan Jones left Williams & did regret it. Both of his come backs were ordinary.

And I apologise if I arced up too much, I've been known to do so unnecessarily.

As a counter-point I would bring up Alain Prost. Discounting his year off in 1992 (since I would argue he didn't retire voluntarily), he won his last championship in 1993 then promptly retired. He could have gone on and would have been in a championship-contending car, the one that Damon Hill came within a whisker of taking the crown with. He only retired because he didn't want the drama of being Senna's teammate again, and who can blame him? So there is precedent. Of course, Prost had four championships behind him by then, and 51 wins, which is a bit more impressive than Mark's four wins and leading the championship for a few rounds, but Mark's expectations are not that high, if they ever were.

And I apologise if I arced up too much, I've been known to do so unnecessarily.

As a counter-point I would bring up Alain Prost. Discounting his year off in 1992 (since I would argue he didn't retire voluntarily), he won his last championship in 1993 then promptly retired. He could have gone on and would have been in a championship-contending car, the one that Damon Hill came within a whisker of taking the crown with. He only retired because he didn't want the drama of being Senna's teammate again, and who can blame him? So there is precedent. Of course, Prost had four championships behind him by then, and 51 wins, which is a bit more impressive than Mark's four wins and leading the championship for a few rounds, but Mark's expectations are not that high, if they ever were.

Well maybe but by 1993 Prost had been in F1 for what, fourteen years? The first disasterous hook up with McLaren, the huge pressure when he was at Renault, seeing "his" McLaren team taken from him by Senna, getting sacked by Ferrari then facing the prospect of Senna turning up again at Williams. Like you say after four world championships it would have been enough for anyone.

The reality is most F1 drivers don't retire on their own terms. In recent times a list of top line drivers who did would include Prost but also Rosberg, Hakkinen and beyond that I struggle. On the other side of the coin you would have to list Mansell, Piquet, Senna, Kimi, JPM, Schumacher (to come) and on and on. For what it is worth Jack Brabham managed to retire at or near the top of his game (in 1970) so not every Australian driver does an Alan Jones.

really? you havent spent enough time in here

so, i had this really aweful dream last night... and im not kidding... that i can clearly remember

i saw massa winning in valencia and being really smug about it. his teammate wasnt anywhere to be seen, and i f**king cracked the shits cause old dead eye won something he clearly does not deserve. im tempted to put money down, but i just cant watch a race hoping for that litttle prick to win.

fucking formula 1 is ruining my life

anyone wanna take a cursory glance at the last times I called Macca 1|2, and the results? :whistle:

Glad your european holiday was full of Hommo,Butt Gheyness ;)

Or was that the other Hammiltophile ?

BUT no pun intended ! :D

Forrza ferrai this weekend mate !

If only Phillipey goes better with Alonso's set up / upgrades .

Im down the bookies for a fezz 1 - 2 tmro.

Red bull's F-duct cant be seen Externally so we only have their word if they run it or not.

They seem to have lost something since their suspension strut Interpretation was deemed illegal.

The Mac's have come too early but, will get a second wind when they catch up on the blown exhaust diffuser Thing.

Thats only If they can ?? accommodate it alongside the Cheating oops,

Decision not to honour the Gentlemen's agreement not to stall the rear wing !!

Shell design they have. :D

Dennis may have gone ,but he was at the last race was'nt he ?

Mucklaren will always be,the Dick Dastardly and muttley of the F1 Scene.

The Epitome of the English cad !

I predict Mercedes will Beat their customer engined teams also. :P

Hey I'll be here sunday night with humble pie , if required.

Get a dog up ya you expat mac fans.

cheers cokey

well that was barely literate

might be quoting some of that come chequered flag time

(prolly won't be another McLaren 1|2, but it'd be foolish to write them off for some good points before quali's even been run)

The Door Closer to hand out some chop and finish on Podium!

Mac's to have poor strategy and finish within top 6 but off the steps.

Capt Chin To Snatch 2nd and Alfalfa to grab the win!

Let the unbiased debate start

K,

Go

The Door Closer to hand out some chop and finish on Podium!

Mac's to have poor strategy and finish within top 6 but off the steps.

Capt Chin To Snatch 2nd and Alfalfa to grab the win!

Let the unbiased debate start

K,

Go

Wow, the unbiased debate lasted a lot longer than I thought it would.

Honestly, I think it will be between Vetool, Webber and Hamo again. The order probably depends on firstly qualifying, and secondly the quality of Vetool's driving braking steering ... wait, I'll get this ... handling?

Wow, the unbiased debate lasted a lot longer than I thought it would.

Honestly, I think it will be between Vetool, Webber and Hamo again. The order probably depends on firstly qualifying, and secondly the quality of Vetool's driving braking steering ... wait, I'll get this ... handling?

LOL! :P

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