Road Toll = Bad?

[TiTAN]

give shell a poke and it can be fixed up when she is awake.

[GTRPowa]

Thats not somthing I'd say on a public forum...been that the police, media and politicians read these forums, So now...not only do they think were are all hoons but drug dealers too.

If coming on here and reading threads where people are trying their darned best to make their car comply with the law, engineering certificates etc, makes us all hoons, then I guess you're right.

Because from some of the opinions passed in this thread alone show the lack of morality the forum members have. Not having a knock, but read it yourself.

'He who is without sin' to be honest. My original reasoning is that we don't have to wish/hope people would die, since that alone gives off bad impressions, and as you indicated, that matters to you.

Edit: I'd be hard pressed finding it now, but I remember someone on a forum bringing up alot of ABS statistics they got. And from the data they mined, there were more fatal accidents 30 years ago on the road, given the ratio of cars on the road back then, and even the ratio of young people driving them. He pointed out the government keeps saying how high the road toll is and that it's rising, yet 30 years ago it was over double now. As I said, I have 0 evidence, but from what I was reading, this guy had it all down pat.

Edited May 19, 2010 by GTRPowa

[Broken_R31]

I will also add that in the Canberra Avenue incident, both adult male victims had past convictions for car theft. The fact that the adult male and female victims who were hit that evening also both had drugs convictions is irrelevant to their being in that accident. However their past actions have caught the attentions of the enforcers of the law and judicial system, they have not simply partaken of the consumption of these substances - but have sold them in such quantities as to be worthy of the Public Prosecutors meagre resources.

If you choose to use these substances then thats fine by me, your choice to sell it to your friends i could understand as well. Do you feel any responsibilities for any adverse outcomes they may have? Do you have any responsibilities to any damage they may do to other people of property?

I do however think that sometimes I over reach where I should not express an opinion on matters i do not understand and I'm wary of that. And I'll also state that no body deserves death, for what crime is so horrific that pennance in the form of ending the life is warranted. However, with multiple convictions apiece what where any of these three adults doing at liberty, surely penalties for crimes against the community of such gravity deserve imprisonment? Could even be argued that should they have been denied their liberty they may be alive today, and that the only truely inoccent life lost in this incident (that of the baby) would still be alive today, if not the whole affair avoided.

[wal32r]

Thats not somthing I'd say on a public forum...been that the police, media and politicians read these forums, So now...not only do they think were are all hoons but drug dealers too.

+1 Rookie mistake posting that.

[Prue]

If coming on here and reading threads where people are trying their darned best to make their car comply with the law, engineering certificates etc, makes us all hoons, then I guess you're right.

Because from some of the opinions passed in this thread alone show the lack of morality the forum members have. Not having a knock, but read it yourself.

'He who is without sin' to be honest. My original reasoning is that we don't have to wish/hope people would die, since that alone gives off bad impressions, and as you indicated, that matters to you.

Edit: I'd be hard pressed finding it now, but I remember someone on a forum bringing up alot of ABS statistics they got. And from the data they mined, there were more fatal accidents 30 years ago on the road, given the ratio of cars on the road back then, and even the ratio of young people driving them. He pointed out the government keeps saying how high the road toll is and that it's rising, yet 30 years ago it was over double now. As I said, I have 0 evidence, but from what I was reading, this guy had it all down pat.

He wasn't talking about the car accident, he was talking about the fact that you just admitted to selling drugs on a public forum.

[wal32r]

[GTR-N1]

I know we should share roads with cyclists and all but really 61 years old and on the road?

I just turned 61 last month > off my bike now lol

[GTRPowa]

...I'll also state that no body deserves death, for what crime is so horrific that pennance in the form of ending the life is warranted. However, with multiple convictions apiece what where any of these three adults doing at liberty, surely penalties for crimes against the community of such gravity deserve imprisonment? Could even be argued that should they have been denied their liberty they may be alive today, and that the only truely inoccent life lost in this incident (that of the baby) would still be alive today, if not the whole affair avoided.

My point exactly on the first part of this. Since everyone nowadays has an opinion, the only way to have it heard is to use sensationalist shock value in said opinion. It's excessive and shows signs that a lot of people out there would rather simply blame than work to mitigate the issues.

On the way to come here (Queanbeyan from Central Coast) to live for work, someone in the middle lane on the Hume merged right into my lane, while I was right next to them. They forced me into the cruddy shoulder, the right wheels on the grass, at 110. This aggravated me so I sped past her, and past a cop, yay.

Difference was, I was aware I was speeding, I was aware I was making a mistake and breaking the law.

She was not. She happily putted her way home, unknowingly of what could have been, and will probably knock a few more off the road before someone gets hurt.

After getting my fines and explaining my frustration to the cop in hopes of leniency, I still didn't think the lady driver should die. But I did feel she should be the one receiving fines, or both of us for that matter. Since she's no more the wary.

We all make mistakes in life, there I just mentioned another one, but if it gave one person insight, or awareness of anything at all from what I type, then I did my bit. Beats writing up a 'deserve to die' or lolpic post.

[Shell]

I like your non-opinionated approach Shell.

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Keep in mind people that nobody deserved to die in that Monaro Hwy accident. Ok, perhaps one, but even then that's wishing too far. I don't know any of the 4, I'm only living here to work, but I like to have the old 'toke' after work, and I sit in my house quietly, doing my own thing, not hurting anybody. Sometimes I've had friends buy some off me, but rarely.

But that makes me realise how close to these victims I am, in the sense of where you've caught some wind on these people breaking a totally unrelated law and, therefore, how much you'd feel the need for them (or me) to die. Even though I wouldn't hurt a fly.

Please be nice.

Nowhere did I say anyone deserved to die. I said Mully was a feral, which he was.

[GTRPowa]

Nowhere did I say anyone deserved to die. I said Mully was a feral, which he was.

lol not you Shell, I agreed entirely with you, then started my own rant about prior posts to yours.

All in all, it's just my opinion, which we all have.

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Driver education will reduce a lot of fatal accidents. And when I say this, I'm not talking about the spins on young people in the media, but everybody. There are a lot of people I've spoken to over time about accidents that have happened, and sometimes they indicate something along the lines of "Wow, I better keep an eye out for them things." - I've learnt from this specific accident that I will do what my father used to do when i was in his car. He'd have a quick peek down the empty streets that he would cross at lights, for this very reason. I thought it was a tad overkill, but perhaps not..

Edited May 19, 2010 by GTRPowa

[Sinista32]

GRRRRRR - dont get me f**ken started.

Shoot to kill !!!

People do deserve to die when they effect the life and liberty of others.

Edited May 19, 2010 by Sinista32

[Shell]

lol not you Shell, I agreed entirely with you, then started my own rant about prior posts to yours.

oh I see I assumed your comment about me was sarcastic... sorry!

[GTRPowa]

I must say, I like ACT roads how you'll have 2 lanes, then the centre divider simply disappears, a few words blur past, and you're left on your own to merge. Seen some close ones on them during some traffic.

[GTRKat]

I'm with Sin there.

I'm sorry but forgive me if I have no sympathy for drug dealers and car thieves. How would you feel if it had been your car?

It's one worthless flamin mongrel off the road that won't be able to steal my car.

[GTRPowa]

I'm with Sin there.

I'm sorry but forgive me if I have no sympathy for drug dealers and car thieves. How would you feel if it had been your car?

It's one worthless flamin mongrel off the road that won't be able to steal my car.

Well in the 6 months I've been in Queanbeyan, my last car had the lock ripped off when someone attempted to get in. VP commodore too, no need to even bother pulling locks off lol.

I got a statesman few weeks ago, 2 days after having it some fool smashed the window and took the gps, which was again, 2 days old.

I do not wish death upon this person, or people, however I wish the police would catch them, deal with them as harshly as the law permits, and most of them (especially if they are kids) will think twice before committing the crimes.

Edit: I am moving shortly because I cant bring my 32 down here. The guy living behind me had his BA XR8 jacked, rimmed, and they stole his bonnet too. All in his driveway. And an EL they got into a few days ago, again in their driveway, smashing the tiny window, rolling down the back window, prodding the unlock button on the dash, and getting in. These people are smashing the windows by prying at the edge with something, therefore you don't hear anything during the night.

Edited May 19, 2010 by GTRPowa

[GTRKat]

It's a LOT different having a car broken into rather than having a car that you've poured thousands of hours and dollars into stolen and destroyed.

I had my daily broken into in Gunners and I had the GTR broken into at Russell. Sure it's annoying and of course I don't wish the same thing on them. In most break in cases the police won't even attend and nothing gets done.

[GTRPowa]

It's a LOT different having a car broken into rather than having a car that you've poured thousands of hours and dollars into stolen and destroyed.

The only thing that averted 'stolen and destroyed' was the fact that on one car they couldn't get in, and the other is fitted with a stock immob and intrusion alarm.

Hence exactly the reason why I wouldn't bring my 32 here. Cant even own a Commodore without having to fear the worst every morning.

[Shell]

That's Queanbeyan for ya! We don't call it struggletown for nothing!

[Trozzle]

Nobody wishes death upon drivers like these.

Having said that, I'm sure nobody gives a flying f*ck that they DID die, or WISHES otherwise.

[GTR-N1]

Another death last night @ Southern Cross Dr Latham...