Fake Defect?

[andyseven]

the laws...

It shouldn't be up to you - it should be the same every time for every one.

Either an engineers certificate is enough to make a vehicle or modification roadworthy or it isn't, your personal judgment should have no influence on the laws you are enforcing.

[RB25PWR]

the laws...

It shouldn't be up to you - it should be the same every time for every one.

Either an engineers certificate is enough to make a vehicle or modification roadworthy or it isn't, your personal judgment should have no influence on the laws you are enforcing.

Well that's something you'll have to take up with the government. Discretion is a big part of Policing, if you don't like that then you're just among the % that don't. The law at times can be very grey and at times can be interpreted differently by different people. Police can only work with what they're given, they are law enforcers, not law creators. It's not Police's fault you receive defects, if you look at the bigger picture here, the government empowers Police to be able to exercise certain powers and expects them to exercise such powers. For example: If you give a 3 yr old a toy car, he's going to make car noises and play with it. He's not just going to stare at it. The same goes for Policing, if you give Police powers, they will use them (correctly and legally, of course).

I know when most of you see red and blue lights in your mirror you immediately think but just be polite. It's extremely hard to issue someone with tickets/defects if they're a really nice person. I know you've all got stories of when you were polite and still did, but it can't hurt.

[andyseven]

Fair point.

Not all Police are as open to good manners and you may be.

I'm not trying to pick a fight here but that gray area can be expensive.

Cool - I'll be as charming as possible next time I'm pulled over!

PS. Most cops are smarter than 3 yr olds!!!!

[jet.26r]

follow the cop that defects your car... see what car he drives and get 3 different people to call up the epa saying this car blows excessive smoke lets see how he likes it!

[jet.26r]

bump !!

[zebra]

then get arrested for stalking a police officer...that would work well

[jet.26r]

cant get arrested for a little private investigating

then get arrested for stalking a police officer...that would work well

[oweban]

cant get arrested for a little private investigating

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if an officer feels intimidated, basically, you're f**ked.

not a smart move.

[Mick_o]

i think rb25pwr is doing us readers a huge favour giving us a police officers perspective on the subject which i think is mighty fine of him. why somebody wouldnt speak to an officer with the same common courtesy as you would any other person is beyond me regardless of past experiences good or bad and obviously being a smart ass or being narky isn't gunna help your cause. 1 thing from what i have read doesnt make sense to me. if your car has an engineers certificate how can you still be defected by police? So whats the point of having somebody who is trained and qualified to assess your car and deem it roadworthy when a police officer can make a personal judgement which he is not qualified to make that can over ride an engineers certificate? I can understand if your car looks like a hunk of junk or is rediculously low or has huge rims or a muffler the size of a paint can hanging out the back of it that would make an officer more prone to ask you to pop your hood but surely if your car is well presented with nothing bodgy or over the top done to it would give

[Mick_o]

The officer an indication that any mods to this vehicle were carried out correctly? In my opinion any TRUE car enthusiasts vehicle is gunna be maintained better and will be safer on the roads than the average commuters car as people simply dont maintain their vehicle as well.

[farch]

there many user certified mods car owners can do and not need an engineering cert, including engine conversions. the trick is to know your rights and be prepared to back them up with proof on the side of the road. that said my car is engineered and i still haven't been pulled over in the six or so months the cars been on the road, had a lot of cops tail me for a few minutes than disappear. my guess is because the engineering cert number goes on your rego info, they must see that and not bother. that and my exhaust is 87db. i have a nearly complete copy of the adr and nsw modified car regs for passenger cars, if want a look give me yell or you can try the rta website it will direct your to the infrastructure website where they can be viewed and downloaded. they will tell all the owner certified mods, and the requirements. as well as the requirements for engineered modifications.

[oweban]

From http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_2007.pdf

Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are:

• Engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves, oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate correctly).
  
• The fitting of a proprietary sunroof (if the modifications are of a minor nature only).
  
• Fitting a ‘package’ available as optional equipment for the vehicle (eg front disc brakes, power steering, alternative transmission and bucket or bench seats).
  
• Additional lighting eg fog & driving lights.
  
• Alternative wheels and tyres within the owner certified limits set by the Authority (see Vehicle Standards Information Sheet No. 9 Guidelines for alternative wheels & tyres).
  
• Fitting of handling enhancing suspension components such as roll stabiliser bars and up-rated shock absorbers

etc etc. read the PDF guise

All VSI's here:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_dl1.html