I Spit In Your Face Heslo & Hit A Wall

[Nightcrawler]

Wow I am pretty devastated to read this .... but of course Kristian will do the right thing and all is well in the world. Heslo's is such a beautiful car - but THANK GOD you didn't do this to the N1!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SkyHi_33]

I cant speak for everyone, but going drifting or not, personally, i wouldn't dare taking my car out knowing its got a leak somewhere no matter how big or small. Pushing the shit out of it on track with that in mind, somethings gotta give. Its just common sense and you cant just blame drifters for that... yes the build level of cars might not be as high at the best of times (budget and fun type of motorsport) but theyre not the only type of cars out there, seen plenty of time attack/circuit cars dropping oil too...

[Martin Donnon]

Martin: its unfair to generalise drifters for wrecking the track... the burnout guys are just as bad or worse... some of the time attack guys have much to blame also.... we pay money to use the track just like anyone else. so how about leaving the drifter bashing out of this thread thanks. last time i checked it had nothing to do with drift

Yes this is unfair

The real issue is that when it comes to the condition of the track all three of these 'sports' are diametrically opposed.

One is about putting rubber on the track to form a witness line of grip to improve lap times

The other is about wheelspinning as much as possible on the line which removes the witness and peens the aggregate in the asphalt to reduce overall grip and slow lap times. And the other is about digging holes.

Drifting can be a great sport - I helped bring it here back in 2000 - 11 years ago - organising (helping to) Australias first ever drift day at Mallala and introducing it to the general public via Denzos purple people eather on the pages of Magazines. I am not anti drift. The actual concern is that the track is at least a second or so slower now than it was back in say 2002 - 2003, but mainly and diabolically so in the wet. The grip level in the wet is nowhere near where it used to be, and understand I raced there competitively in the wet back in the 90s, so I know.

If its Turn 7 where Chef put it in then that tends to be the 'glass corner' of that track, the very most slippery part of the track in the wet, with a 911 going into the wall there in the same spot at a PCSA Supersprint. This is also the only other place on the track other than the Start/Finish where cars are held stationery for any length of time during competition events. All cars good or bad can and will leak oil on the track, however working on the quality of the vehicles involved can go some way to reducing that. That was my point. No more, no less

Anyway Simon, the plan for my new drift car is to smash you (not literally like drive flat out into you Pickering style) out there

[Martin Donnon]

Back to Heslos thread, I will have a look at work for any 33 parts that we have that may help you

[heslo]

You're a champ mate, cheers

[Simon-S14]

Yes this is unfair

The real issue is that when it comes to the condition of the track all three of these 'sports' are diametrically opposed.

One is about putting rubber on the track to form a witness line of grip to improve lap times

The other is about wheelspinning as much as possible on the line which removes the witness and peens the aggregate in the asphalt to reduce overall grip and slow lap times. And the other is about digging holes.

Drifting can be a great sport - I helped bring it here back in 2000 - 11 years ago - organising (helping to) Australias first ever drift day at Mallala and introducing it to the general public via Denzos purple people eather on the pages of Magazines. I am not anti drift. The actual concern is that the track is at least a second or so slower now than it was back in say 2002 - 2003, but mainly and diabolically so in the wet. The grip level in the wet is nowhere near where it used to be, and understand I raced there competitively in the wet back in the 90s, so I know.

If its Turn 7 where Chef put it in then that tends to be the 'glass corner' of that track, the very most slippery part of the track in the wet, with a 911 going into the wall there in the same spot at a PCSA Supersprint. This is also the only other place on the track other than the Start/Finish where cars are held stationery for any length of time during competition events. All cars good or bad can and will leak oil on the track, however working on the quality of the vehicles involved can go some way to reducing that. That was my point. No more, no less

Anyway Simon, the plan for my new drift car is to smash you (not literally like drive flat out into you Pickering style) out there

bring on the new drift car... do you need a driver for it

i see what your saying about the track and conditions... yeah it is shocking in thr wet.. theres about 15 different grip levels out there in the wet with each corner and straight offering a variety. the most thrashed sectiong of the track drift wise (the esses) seemed to be the best in terms of grip. the northern hair pin and the following left hander being the worst. I found that just driving around that left hander my car would start sliding with no provoking at all. faily certain theres a large amount of oil/cememnt dust and other random shit causing that.

i also agree that there are a lot of shitboxes in drift... the prac days we have should have safety checks.

as for peening of the track and taking rubber off the racing line... this ones open for debate really..no race track in the world offers the same grip levels like the day it was freshly laid so i'd put the slower times down to wear and tear due to age and use of the track. however that said one of the most drifted tracks in the world, tsukuba, continues to offer assonishing times for time attack.

[Martin Donnon]

bring on the new drift car... do you need a driver for it

I like your style

Good to have feedback from someone that drove it on the day. In most instances that corner even in fast cars is 'Wide Open'

[Iron Chef]

Yeah Martin, that's the corner I went off, thanks for the offer of help with parts too.

Damn Heslo and his brand whore ways - I think I'm gonna be nudging $10K just in parts before we even get to the repairs I'm like a personal insurance company providing new-for-old parts coverage hahaha

[BIT SUS]

hey kristian, you can crash my car if it means you build a 2.8 for it *holds up keys*

[Iron Chef]

If it was that easy, I'd crash the N1 and do it on that

[.:: GimpS-R34 ::.]

Yeah Martin, that's the corner I went off, thanks for the offer of help with parts too.

Damn Heslo and his brand whore ways - I think I'm gonna be nudging $10K just in parts before we even get to the repairs I'm like a personal insurance company providing new-for-old parts coverage hahaha

have you tried buffing it kristian?

[J - Rad]

Noticed the white skuff on the wall today out there. I vote we put it to Clem to rename it 'Iron Chef Corner'.

[skwiz]

Well as shit as the situation is, the admirable thing is that Kristian is digging deep to pay.

He could be a dick about it and say 'racing's racing' but no, he's actually got the balls to pay for it.

Good on you good sir.

[nisskid]

Lets seem some pics

Drifters do that track so much damage with their terrible leaking tacked together cars its fast becoming a joke in real racing circles

I have a great deal of respect for you martin, but comments like that i find pretty hard to swallow.

I hear the "real racing circle" guys pissing and moaning about drifters day in day out, truth is, considering there are often 30 cars on the track at the same time, a relatively small amount of those "tacked together cars" are breaking down. The issue is you put that many cars on a track at the same time, and then sit them on the line, there might be a small amount of fluid dropped in a concentrated place. The fault doesn't lie on the drifters, or their car, if you wanna have a whinge to anyone, talk to mallala, it's their format which if anything, would be the issue. Scruitineering is always an issue, i agree, but you have to remember, we have 60+ cars at each event, and in case you haven't realised, we've already lost 3hrs and 4 sessions of drift each day due to being put on after the grip guys, you want us to lose more time, or pay more for scruitineers? We already pay the same amount as a grip practice, for less sessions, let a lone track time in total.

2ndly, comments like "real racing circles" do nothing to help the image of the circuit guys as arrogant elitists, I've always been a big fan of raw driver skill and passion overcoming the barrier created by money within motorsport, but i guess there will always be those that look down on the peasants and their inexpensive. Forgive me if that wasn't what you meant, but if you look at it, you've gotta admit it can be taken the wrong way quite easily.

I think a few are still bitter that the last few grip days that the drifters have rocked up to on street tyres and drift setups, they have flogged the majority of the field

[writeoff]

@ Kristian - if it makes you feel any better I spun my mate's series 3 R33 GTR at the same spot today on a warm up lap. The only thing I think I did wrong was release the clutch too abruptly (ie not smoothly) and the back kicked out. When I tried to correct it a tyre touched the grass causing the car to turn nearly 90 degrees and sent me into the grass in the middle of the track. I was changing from 2nd to 3rd at about 5500rpm.

PS - If anyone comes across a cheap, stock R33 GTR front bar, preferably in black, please let me know. EDIT: not because I damaged it but because I want to change the 400R front bar so I can put the stock rims back on the car without the offset looking terrible.

[typevu]

it was the oil from teh drifterz i tellz ya!!!!!!!

[Iron Chef]

@ Kristian - if it makes you feel any better I spun my mate's series 3 R33 GTR at the same spot today on a warm up lap. The only thing I think I did wrong was release the clutch too abruptly (ie not smoothly) and the back kicked out. When I tried to correct it a tyre touched the grass causing the car to turn nearly 90 degrees and sent me into the grass in the middle of the track. I was changing from 2nd to 3rd at about 5500rpm.

PS - If anyone comes across a cheap, stock R33 GTR front bar, preferably in black, please let me know. EDIT: not because I damaged it but because I want to change the 400R front bar so I can put the stock rims back on the car without the offset looking terrible.

Like Martin said, Iron Chef corner (TM pending, thanks J-Rad) is like glass, I wish I'd spun the other way, then I'd have only lost my dignity

Many thanks to those who've offered to help with parts, seriously it's a huge help. I'll be in touch as soon as I liberate some funds!

[Damo_R34]

Keep thread alive for parts updates!!

[Luke_ENR34]

Use to always find ARC items on the auctions but whenever theres something you need theres nothing on there

[Jap_star]

i know ive been looking hard for him. found most parts, but hes pretty keen on ARC. any good buys let luke or chef know.