03Apr04 AIR drag results

[MattR]

hey Martin ill see what i can do bout those pics today, i said ill try to get for you.

[TIMMMAYYY]

so are you trying to tell me martin you've NEVER raced on the street before?

[Bl4cK32]

how fast a car is capable of going on the street

Read what you are quoting

[whatsisname]

C'mon now, play nice everyone

God damn pool cheater Martin! Real pool players use their fingers

In all seriousness I personally don't see using slicks as cheating. However I do give a big thumbs up for those that run good numbers on street radial tyres

I'd be happier with an 11.9 on my road rubber than a mid/low 11 on slicks.

[2rismo]

No-one's answered my question about the need to run front runners with M/T ET Streets.

Any ideas? Martin?

Adrian

[whatsisname]

Adrian,

When Ben ran his 2JZGTE powered JZA70 Supra (was a cover car for Zoom) to a 10.8 @ 120-130mph it was on M/T ET Streets and his 18" chrome rims on the front. He ran it that way for a few meetings if I recall correctly. I don't remember him reporting any major car handling issues.

[CheekyR32]

I didn't think it mattered what you did to get a faster time, as long as you got it..isn't that what drag racing is meant to be? (at air).. i reckon if you can get slicks matt, power to ya..

Why deny yourself a faster time, when you can have the slicks and get better traction... Just a thought.

[BU5TER]

CheekyR32 some people like to run in street trim

[whatsisname]

I personally like knowing that my best numbers (in my sig) have been run in the EXACT same trim as I drive the car on the road whenever it comes out of the garage.

I don't view using slicks, purpose drag suspension, removing exhausts, pulling out the interior and so on... as cheating. However, I PERSONALLY "do" see these things as taking the shine off MY end result, hence I choose not to do them - at this stage.

There are sooo many variables that people can, and do, view as "cheating" that it's ridiculous to call ANYTHING cheating! You may as well say that any change from the original standard vehicle is cheating

Once again, I PERSONALLY, believe that comparing 1/4 numbers from a car using parts/mod's that are NOT legal (never have or will be) for road use (slicks and Nitrous as examples) vs. a car using only mod's that "CAN" be made legal (larger turbo and ECU upgrade as examples) is pointless. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I'm certainly not taking anything away from those that do use non-road legal mod's, faaar from it!

The bottom line is... Run what ya brung and hope ya brung enough

If a Skyline (or any car for that matter) runs quick numbers over the 1/4 I don't care whether it's using nitrous, C16, LMS, no interior, slicks, fluffly dice, a dancing Elvis on the dash or the driver has his eyes closed the entire length of the strip. If it runs the numbers then I'm impressed!

I'd like to clarify that I do not race on the street. My preference to run in street-trim at AIR has nothing to with illegal street activities.

[matlowth]

Can't really say whether front runners are needed when using the ET Streets...

However, if they're like Nitto's, then you should be fine!

Cheers,

matt

No-one's answered my question about the need to run front runners with M/T ET Streets.

Any ideas? Martin?

Adrian

[Steve]

Its pretty funny, this whole street trim debate - street trim can include Hoosiers or Nittos - and there isnt alot of difference between the numbers, that I have seen, to cars of a similar state with slicks. (eg, Ben Ellis's R34) But are hoosier's or nittos tyres that you would drive around on all day? Still street trim.

A lot of the old school drag heads, run cars that are designed to go really fast in a straight line, and not much else. They may be in street trim, but they corner like a dog, and with high stall converters and a high power band, leave alot to be desired in the street driving.

Matt, throw the slicks on there FFS, its a drag strip - start fighting fire with fire, and lets see what a car that can be driven in peak hour traffic, or down to the local shopping centre can do if it wants:)

Would you put a drag car on a circuit with drag slicks? why drag as a street car on a strip with street (or circuit) tyres? You know what can be achieved in street trim, why not up the ante and see what the potential is?

What ever you choose to do, good luck [subliminal message]

go the slicks, you know you want to, dont be weak

[/subliminal message]

[Martin Donnon]

If you use conventionals on the back eg ET Streets and radials on the front, you are asking for big trouble. Wait till you get half a turn of lock on towards the deep end due to the sway, then go check your undies. ANDRA tracks like WSID wont let you do it over 110mph (?) as a safety issue. You will struggle to make a hit on the HPI list in your car on radials Matt, so why not cut a proper time. Compare apples with apples.

Steve, you should actually try driving a car with a properly setup stall in it on the street. Ive got a 4000rpm, Henrys got a 3800rpm, we can both drive away from the lights at 1200rpm no problems. In fact a good street auto NEEDS a high stall to be some fun.

Nothin like clickin top gear 10 feet out of the hole with both tyres alight

[Steve]

Fair comment, I have only driven one car with a high stall converter (from what you are saying obviously not set up well), and it didnt do much until you put your foot in, then it did alot:) made traffic a bit tricky, there is on way I would have attempted to drive it in the wet - had enough trouble with my GT falcon, and that only had a 1500rpm converter (not quite what you would call high stall though).

[Martin Donnon]

You should try a One Tonner with an ally tray, locked diff, 4000rpm stall and 500hp.......in the wet.....

[Cubes]

Martin,

Be honest now..

Whats the fuel consumption like with the normal non-grandma typical slightly lead footed person like?

[Martin Donnon]

I got no reason to tell you fibs about it!

Around town it gets close to 13.5 - 14l/100km

open road around 10 - 10.5l/100km

[Cubes]

Sounds not to bad.

A little better than my old VS after it had a little bit of work done to it.

I was getting around 16L-17L/100km's, then it was a pig under 3500rpm.

I really should have opened her up and upped the comp ratio.

Problem was it then spat a rear IRS crossmember then a gearbox then the diff, so I couldn't afford to open her up

Full of dissapointments that car.

At first it was around the 14l/100km's.

So thats definately squeezing the throttle then, not simply resting your foot on it. I have to admit I like squeezing the throttle.

Mind if I ask what sort of mods?

[Martin Donnon]

Theres no comparing the GenIII to an old school Holden. Chalk and cheese.

If you squeeze the throttle its sideways, so you just have to rest your foot on it

Mods here -

http://users.senet.com.au/~dtech/news.htm

[Cubes]

ahh forced induction..

Is there any other way for streetability. No..

Not sure if I like the tray top though.

[Martin Donnon]

Yes - cubes, and plenty of them

as your name states - displacement....

Not three litres though, more like eight to get the job done right