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So this would be even quicker than an 09 with Cobb and Full exhaust or pretty much on par?

power would be about the same vs a cobb and midpipe imo - acceleration should be too taking out the improved LC (but then cobb will be able to offer you LC4 soon too)

with these incremental power up's, Nissan is really bridging the gap now to the aftermarket ecu tuning especially

gone are days of when a cobb canned map and midpipe made such a big power gain

to really go "noticeably" beyond oem now, you have to start looking at catless downpipes, bigger injectors + fuel pumps, dyno tuning and even alternate fuels. Some may even argue you'd need to swap out the turbos too

It's great to see Nissan pushing forward with the performance / number but seriously this is really just what owners have been getting for about 3 years, with a exhaust and tune (thanks to tuners who cracked it).

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I've had this argument many times with my mate and he likes to think that the current model r35 is leaps and bounds ahead of its 1st debut model.

Can u explain the major differences between the year models and are there any serious mechanical upgrades other than the obvious remapped ecu?

Surely saving over 50k on an earlier model r35 is better value for money, right?

Small article in EVO Car Magazine:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/274492/driven_nissan_gtr_2012_model_year.html

What is it?

The revised-for-2012 version of the mighty Nissan GT-R, sampled very briefly during a driving event at a rain-sodden Silverstone – and without any official performance figures yet revealed.

Technical highlights?

There are some internal changes to the 3.8-litre V6 engine, with revised inlet valves, manifolds, heads and pistons. We’re told that the motor now wants to rev much harder beyond 5000rpm, although there’s no word on outputs. Still, Mizuno-san, the GT-R’s legendary project manager, says that the leap from the 2011 model year to the 2012 model year brings greater gains than the ’09-to-’10 tweaks – which saw power rise from 483bhp to 530bhp – so you’d have to guess at around 560bhp for the latest iteration.

Another neat detail is the new asymmetrical set-up. The GT-R’s transaxle gearbox sits just to the right of the main propshaft, which means in right-hand drive form it carries 50kg too much corner weight on that side of the car. This has been addressed by adding spring rate and damper support to the right front of the car, and removing it from the front left. The actual pivot position of the respective sides has been adjusted too.

How does it drive?

Two laps at a sodden Silverstone don’t make a proper test – at least not for evo – so we’ll have to wait until we have slightly more time in the car to deliver a verdict.

However, on the brief acquaintance, I can confirm that the engine does indeed pull more aggressively beyond the 5000rpm mark, even if it doesn’t feel 100bhp stronger than those first R35 GT-Rs did back in 2007.

As for the asymmetric chassis set-up I’m afraid I couldn’t properly test it in the very slippery conditions at Silverstone during my brief squirt in the car.

Anything else I need to know?

There will be a track pack option in right-hand drive markets this time. That makes the car a two-seater with grippier buckets, a brake cooling system that’s claimed to reduce rotor temperatures by up to 100 degrees, plus new springs and adjustable dampers.

Verdict

Far from being the soulless simulator that some people expect, the GT-R remains one of the most characterful and mind-scrabbling experiences available. We await prolonged exposure to this new version with great expectations.

LSX-438:

I've had this argument many times with my mate and he likes to think that the current model r35 is leaps and bounds ahead of its 1st debut model.

Can u explain the major differences between the year models and are there any serious mechanical upgrades other than the obvious remapped ecu?

Surely saving over 50k on an earlier model r35 is better value for money, right?

Leaps and bounds? Doubt it. AFAIK the differences 2008 to present are minor in terms of hardware. Some intake, ECU and suspension geometry etc. In terms of outright/straightline performance i am sure a tuned 2009 is as quick as a new one today. The only big factor in terms of 0-100 performance is probably software on the launch (which version you have) however you can get that sorted if you care. If you are comparing say 2009/2010 vs 2012 model (re the saving) i would say it depends on what you want to do with the car? Personally being interested in having a quick road-going track-capable car i would acquire the older car and spend the savings on mods. I dare say a new car with $50k on mods vs an older car with $50k on mods would yield the exact same outcome (except your wallet). Plus I would feel less 'bad' about trashing an older vs newer car, if you know what i mean.

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