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i like the sounds of the HTC Butterfly (japan only atm) Euro and US market is see they're thinking of calling it the DIX which had a very quick name change to DLX, DIX is Droid Incredible X DLX is just Deluxe

either ways very well specked phone well phablet really

http://www.gsmarena....terfly-5118.php

http://htcsource.com/2012/09/exclusive-5-inch-htc-dix-phablet-to-feature-quad-core-processor-1-5gb-of-ram-and-16gb-of-internal-storage/

am a big fan of HTC phones, but the battery life needs some work on those things

Same. My last two phones have been HTCs and if my next isn't a Nokia Lumina, then it'll be an HTC of some sort.

Battery life on all current gen smartphones sucks nuts. Yet another thing I blame Apple for. If not for their bullshit "thinnest, lightest" marketing shit, our phones would all weight 50% more (at a whopping 160-180g) and have batteries which last a couple days with usage.

But since the iSheeple are so f**king weak they can't carry a phone that weighs more than 118g, battery life sucks balls.

f**k Apple, stupid f**ks.

Same. My last two phones have been HTCs and if my next isn't a Nokia Lumina, then it'll be an HTC of some sort.

Battery life on all current gen smartphones sucks nuts. Yet another thing I blame Apple for. If not for their bullshit "thinnest, lightest" marketing shit, our phones would all weight 50% more (at a whopping 160-180g) and have batteries which last a couple days with usage.

But since the iSheeple are so f**king weak they can't carry a phone that weighs more than 118g, battery life sucks balls.

f**k Apple, stupid f**ks.

Did Steve Jobs touch you as a child? You have a completely irrational hatred towards Apple that goes beyond their products.

Did Steve Jobs touch you as a child? You have a completely irrational hatred towards Apple that goes beyond their products.

It's not irrational at all.

Apple is the problem with smartphones, not the driver of innovation.

Apple products are shit, their OS is f**ked but their marketing rules.

f**k Apple.

I'm big kev atm

HTC M7 may be released as the successor to the One X and a mini butterfly is in the works with a 4.7" screen

Source http://mobile.pcauthority.com.au/Article.aspx?CIID=326842&type=News

but back to my point

iphones dont have a mini usb port?!?!?

are you fcuking serious?

wut... how is that possible... everything has a mini usb port!

Apple is the America of the tech industry. They just want to be different. NO logical reason for it. They just do it. Oh also money everything they do is for max gain profit wise. Hence a new iphone every 12 months. Hence now a new charger so people have to buy all new acces. No reason for it. They did it because they could. But hey. Look at apples shares, people are waking up to the fact and the company is in quite a bit of trouble if it keeps going the way it is. If it keeps falling how it is the company will be bankrupt in the next 5-10 years.

It's not irrational at all.

Apple is the problem with smartphones, not the driver of innovation.

Apple products are shit, their OS is f**ked but their marketing rules.

f**k Apple.

You used to make logical comments. That is not one of them.

The first iPhone, as utterly shitful as it was, did kickstart innovation in the mobile industry.

I could go on, but I'm betting you know this.

At the same time, it is my belief that there is no one driver of innovation in the mobile industry anymore. Apple have driven 'their' innovations, and acted like little bitches with big lawyers on retainer if anyone reinvents these features. Samsung have their innovations, as do HTC and even Nokia. Any time someone comes up with something genuinely innovative, the others come up with something the same or similar enough. This is a good thing for us, as consumers.

Apple is the America of the tech industry. They just want to be different. NO logical reason for it. They just do it. Oh also money everything they do is for max gain profit wise. Hence a new iphone every 12 months. Hence now a new charger so people have to buy all new acces. No reason for it. They did it because they could. But hey. Look at apples shares, people are waking up to the fact and the company is in quite a bit of trouble if it keeps going the way it is. If it keeps falling how it is the company will be bankrupt in the next 5-10 years.

You're half right. About 25-50% of iPhone owners are the "iSheeple" that Aaron refers to, and they wanted a thinner, lighter phone. Couldn't happen without changing the adaptor mechanism. The physical size difference between the old dock connector and the new 'lightening' connector is crazy. The new converter adaptors are also ingenious in how they work, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that it was easier to do the adaptive pin assignment they've done from 30pin to 8pin adaptors than it was to do 30pin to 4pin micro USB.

There is a totally logical reason for Apple being 'different'. They're a marketing machine more than an engineering firm. They differentiate their products from the OS to the supply chain. They do an excellent job, sales figures reflect this. Is it for everyone? No way. But as Aaron points out, their marketing rules.

Why can't anyone make some educated arguments from time to time, rather than just bang on about 'iSheeple' and 'retards'?

Didnt apple rush out their first phone knowing it had bugs so they could beat others and claim they were the first even though this was not the case.

Same as their new one, it now seems.

Its good to see that Samsung has taken the lead in world sales, they are cheaper, work better and will talk to a heap of different styles of hardware/software.

It seems that the consumer is much smarter than Apple thinks.

This is the problem when a usefull tool becomes a fashion item, it stops being usefull.

But there will always be the fashion fanboys and girls who just want one, how good is advertising Eh!

The first iPhone, as utterly shitful as it was, did kickstart innovation in the mobile industry.

No

The first iTunes phone was even worse, worse than the old Motorola Razr (the ones that failed every five seconds). It was SO bad Jobs literally shat a brick and used it to beat to death several employees while shouting "YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!". He then kidnapped the entirety of the Sony mobile design team and stole all their work.

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