R33, New Brake Upgrade Idea

[hardsteppa]

Sure, but i'd also say, your car will also run just fine unmodified, but obviously thats not to say it's giving anywhere near the potential and performance it could. Upgrading braking performance is well worthwhile, even tho stock brakes are 'adequate/good'...like everything, they can be better, and create a more enjoyable drive.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

I run standard brakes, with Project Mu HC+ on a car that makes well over 300kW+ and it stops fine at Wakefield over and over again.

Also it's not like I'm going slow either, average speed down the main straight is about 195km/h

I think people always think they need better brakes but what they need are better pads and a set of non homo rotors, ie no dimples no slots no cross drilled bullshit.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

to continue my post, for street use you're never really going to hit the limits of the factory brake setup.

On the track I agree with others that you'll easily see the limits of the factory brakes but no way on the streets unless you're doing some wangan business down the motorway.

By the way what pads are you running? If you answer Bendix then that's why you're thinking you need better brakes and the OEM gear is shit.

[zebra]

I run standard brakes, with Project Mu HC+ on a car that makes well over 300kW+ and it stops fine at Wakefield over and over again.

Also it's not like I'm going slow either, average speed down the main straight is about 195km/h

I think people always think they need better brakes but what they need are better pads and a set of non homo rotors, ie no dimples no slots no cross drilled bullshit.

I disagree,

I've driven a car with hand of god brakes on the track, and it is honestly the best thing ever. Gas pedal on the floor while most other cars are hard on the skids is a sure fire way to be a hell of a lot faster.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

I disagree,

I've driven a car with hand of god brakes on the track, and it is honestly the best thing ever. Gas pedal on the floor while most other cars are hard on the skids is a sure fire way to be a hell of a lot faster.

You missed my continued post lol

Initial was about street use second was about track

[hardsteppa]

yeah but Johnny, and there's no disrespect intended in this; if you've only used stock brakes with good pads you can't really say if it's worth having upgraded rotor sizes, as you haven't experienced the difference. On my other car I went from completely stock brakes to a big rotor/wildwood caliper setup and it completely changed the car. Brake kits have come down in price heaps since then, it was a long time ago, but even then, it was money well spent and much nicer to drive, and that was 100% street use.

My r33 runs the GTR 324mm disc on the front and hfm disc upgrade on the back, and also a decent improvement IMO opinion. While stock brakes might be good when pushed to their limit, I don't want to be pushing them to the limit, i'd rather have better braking and control through a more efficient brake setup.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

no offence taken

however is this a street car or a track car? If you're reaching the limits of the stock brakes on the street, then really you should be shot LOL

[hardsteppa]

While stock brakes might be good when pushed to their limit, I don't want to be pushing them to the limit, i'd rather have better braking and control through a more efficient brake setup.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

I get that, but the stock brakes are fine for street use, they are more than better most of the brakes found on 90% of the cars on the road.

What pads were you using with your stock brakes?

What camber were you running before with your stock brakes?

What tyres and tyre size were you running before with your stock brakes?

I cannot fathom one can say that they can reach the limits of their stock 4 piston brakes on the road.

[hardsteppa]

you say you're getting it, but you're not.

I cannot fathom one can say that they can reach the limits of their stock 4 piston brakes on the road.

While stock brakes might be good when pushed to their limit, I don't want to be pushing them to the limit, i'd rather have better braking and control through a more efficient brake setup.

I'll try putting it a couple of other ways - ask anyone who's done one of the common brake upgrades for the R33 if they regret it, and want to go back to just having stock brakes.

Also - swap 'brakes' for 'power increase'. If I push the car to the limit of it's power in stock form it is reasonably capable, but I don't want to be driving around pushing it to its' limit. I'd rather enhance its' power capabilities and get much more enjoyable driving performance at moderate acceleration, and know that its' overall capability is increased, should it ever be needed.

[hardsteppa]

i will also add, hey, if you don't think there's any need to upgrade stock braking performance then no worries, just don't do it. No need for any drama or argument. I've been happy with the results of upgrades (namely increasing rotor size) on various cars and so consider it worthwhile and recommended, these days as i get older i consider it even more important than chasing higher power figures, but each to their own.

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

i will also add, hey, if you don't think there's any need to upgrade stock braking performance then no worries, just don't do it. No need for any drama or argument. I've been happy with the results of upgrades (namely increasing rotor size) on various cars and so consider it worthwhile and recommended, these days as i get older i consider it even more important than chasing higher power figures, but each to their own.

I wasn't arguing - I just wanted to understand your justifications and other people's justifications for upgrading something that works completely fine on the street.

I did say for track use it was not adequate.

I myself will be upgrading my brakes, but it's purely because I track the car and also have reached the factory limits of the braking system (which actually only happens after 2~3 hot laps).

[billywhiz]

I find it strange, you have stuff like this saying you need big brake kits etc

but standard brakes can cause tyres to lock up, you need the tyre surface friction to use that BHP, ie excellent tyres/suspension.

can't find the technical link but seat of the pants suggests it is true, standard brakes are +1000bhp, they haul ass compared to the engine pushing.

I didn't go bigger brakes for more stopping power on the street, main reason was for more thermal mass etc as I went through a set of racing pads after 2 sprint events. Yes modulation etc etc but lets face it lap times come from greater corner speed, greater engine horsepower - braking 3 meters later makes diddly squat, few thou - so much to be made elsewhere

[Ben C34]

Wut?