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It's called "Manslaughter" and not "Murder" for a reason. This is not the USA so the whole "Self defence" act isn't as lawful here in Australia. You murder someone by accident (Whether it be rage from finding your missus in bed with another man - yep - it's not murder if you kill the guy or if it's a drunken punch on the side of the road out of stupidty).

You kill soemone in any defence act it's classed as manslaughter. It may be out of self defence but you'll have a manslaughter charge - this is the case unless I have been taught falsely which wouldn't suprise me lol

So Manslaughter is a Charge. Just because you kill someone in self defence does not mean you will be charged with manslaughter. If the Police think you have acted unlawfully in the act of defending yourself you may be charged with man slaughter.

Have you ever done any security training and learned about the force continuum etc?

If you have defended yourself using appropriate force you will not be charged. I.e. if someone attacks me with his fist and I hit him once with my fist and he die's I would not be charged.

However if a person attacks me with his fist and I pull out a gun and shoot him I would be. The force did not match the threat.

However there are variances to this. So if a female was being attacked by a man and she shot him (with legal firearm ownership) in self defence she may be ok as she could say she legitimately feared for her like. However it is viewed differently if this was a male to male scenario.

So Manslaughter is a Charge. Just because you kill someone in self defence does not mean you will be charged with manslaughter. If the Police think you have acted unlawfully in the act of defending yourself you may be charged with man slaughter.

Have you ever done any security training and learned about the force continuum etc?

If you have defended yourself using appropriate force you will not be charged. I.e. if someone attacks me with his fist and I hit him once with my fist and he die's I would not be charged.

However if a person attacks me with his fist and I pull out a gun and shoot him I would be. The force did not match the threat.

However there are variances to this. So if a female was being attacked by a man and she shot him (with legal firearm ownership) in self defence she may be ok as she could say she legitimately feared for her like. However it is viewed differently if this was a male to male scenario.

Read the last bit of my sentence.

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