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Would someone have a cheap and nasty bleed valve or something i can borrow? Still not able to get the boost controller sorted and PFC EBC hasnt arrived. Not really worth doing another track day without enough power to turn the rear tyres. Farkin Trust turbos, noone can get you genuine gaskets, ie not the shit that was put in there before that blows out as soon as you do some sustained high temp driving

I've been reading the sup reqs and it refers to showing proof of payment .. has anyone received anything to that end? does not look like my credit card has even been charged yet .. has anyones?

Roy I have 2 spare bleed valves (normal and a blue anodised thing) as I will be using the Autospeed one until Funky comes through with my digital order.

Turbs on, exhaust fitted (GTR 2.5" hks style front pipe bolts straight up :D), dumps and fronts in 'jamy wrap, just welding up the turbo feeds and will finish the IC piping and injectors tomorrow and I'm ready to crank. Dyno Weds arvo so fingers crossed.

I think Anthony need to clarify his mods :D.

I know he is running at least 16psi, with the hi-flow turbo, not sure if the std fuel system can support the power acheived at this boost level. I know he has std injectors running at their maximum duty cycle, not sure about his pump.

Just like dobbing in a mate :wassup:

Al - to cover your question RE: Ant and Standard Class. It was decided that 2 things could put you into Modified. 1 - Sticky tyres (So Aaron you in Modified AWD!) and 2- Turbo upgrades WITH approapriate fuel system modifications. So whilst Ant has high flowed his turbo - he is still (as far as I am aware from discussions with him) running the stock fuel system (fuel pump and injectors). So because he also runs normal tyres he is still in Standard Class. ECU's suspension, brakes etc were all free in Standard Class.

All i will say is that he (Anthony) was kicking my arse down the straight, but got blue flagged because i riped through him round the bends :D.

On my next track day, the straight issue will be taken care of ;), i have now got my injectors and fuel pressure regulator to support my hi-flow turbo. But i may go just that little bit slower coming out of those corners, maybe. :Oops:

hoi.

well spent the day running around town. went to race brakes and got some comp 2 for the rears. $165 with my non existant wrx club discount. ouch. hopefully friend will help me fit them tomorrow night, depending on weather.

hopefully getting the rubber replaced on friday. amazing the differences in prices, depending on who you call. staying away from the race rubber. tyres still above indicators, but they will need to be changed soon or later. spare rims amyone?

as for contingency, the guy i was ment to be staying wiht down in phillip island, was trying to weasle out of this weekend. i think he was offered some work or something. bec, any beds left? i dont think ill need it, just in case things fall apart.

last thing i wanted to ask is if anyone had some spare bonnet restraint cables?

what else have i forgotten?

pontiff: andrew posted a link earlier to the wrx site, which has all the names of people competing. also he said your likely to get billed after the event.

IF you aint going to get track style rubber, then worn tyres are better then new road rubber. New road rubber heats uop the tread blocks way too quick and you ned up throwing chunks of tread, makign short work of that new rubber:(

And as the tread blocks walk around a bit the car can feel as though it is tip toeing around through the corners, i find it just made the car feel loose. If your road rubber is above the indicators, then stick with them for the weekend. The time difference wont be huge, and after you have truly flogged them senseless replace them with some nice new road rubber.

And Geoff, let me know old son, ill throw those 4 round things off the WRX in my boot for you :rofl:

Mr Brisby - I have an EVC 3 sitting in my office doing nothing if you need it for the weekend.

Aaron - you are on the list so you don't need to worry. They haven't updated the list since Feb 25th however so I have just shot off a PM to the motorsport director to get an updated list so everyone that has entered can confirm their entries have been received.

Al.....No clarification req'd mate. Everything you wrote about my mods is correct :rofl:

When we were all sorting out how to class a car that can be infinitly modified and modified any which way, two mods stuck out as being performance jumps - stickies and fuel injectors. Basically all I have done is improve the std setup....still got the same size turbo etc etc just improved efficiency. To start making serious power (above 220rw or so) it is widely known that you have to increase injector size - hence this being one of the classifications. Again to seriously improve cornering speeds and traction, stickies are req'd. All you have to do is look at the times you were doing with your stickies at calder compared to mine....the stickies more than made up for your *cough**cough* lack of power :)

:)

Stickies are just awesome :headspin:

You better watch the straights next time buddy :innocent:

Al.....No clarification req'd mate.  Everything you wrote about my mods is correct :rofl:

When we were all sorting out how to class a car that can be infinitly modified and modified any which way, two mods stuck out as being performance jumps - stickies and fuel injectors.  Basically all I have done is improve the std setup....still got the same size turbo etc etc just improved efficiency.  To start making serious power (above 220rw or so) it is widely known that you have to increase injector size - hence this being one of the classifications.  Again to seriously improve cornering speeds and traction, stickies are req'd.  All you have to do is look at the times you were doing with your stickies at calder compared to mine....the stickies more than made up for your *cough**cough* lack of power :(

On my next track day, the straight issue will be taken care of :rofl:, i have now got my injectors and fuel pressure regulator to support my hi-flow turbo.  But i may go just that little bit slower coming out of those corners, maybe. :Oops:

Not really

IF you aint going to get track style rubber, then worn tyres are better then new road rubber. New road rubber heats uop the tread blocks way too quick and you ned up throwing chunks of tread, makign short work of that new rubber:(  

And as the tread blocks walk around a bit the car can feel as though it is tip toeing around through the corners, i find it just made the car feel loose.  If your road rubber is above the indicators, then stick with them for the weekend. The time difference wont be huge, and after you have truly flogged them senseless replace them with some nice new road rubber.

And Geoff, let me know old son, ill throw those 4 round things off the WRX in my boot for you :rofl:

I was more concerned about safety. ooh. Now im hesitating about what to do.

I tend to agree with Troy (Roy), use your current tyres for the track, then buy new ones after.

New tyres also have a silicone coating to look nice and shinny, this does wear off after a bit of use, but till then the grip can be unpredictable.

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