R32 GTS-T vs GTS-4 comparison articles

[wantsanr32]

Hi there guys,

Can anyone direct me to any articles or reviews online which compare the r32 GTS-T and GTS-4, strengths and weakness of both? etc....

Thank you.

[B-Man]

Go the GTS-4

[wantsanr32]

Go the GTS-4

ive been thinking that more of late, but im just worried that the car will feel a little more "sluggish".......but the awd does seem very appealing.......

havent test driven either of them yet (obviously that will a big determining factor) but i just wanted to see if there was any direct comparisons i could read up about......

[IOWNU]

GTS-4 has better handling, the GTST has better acceleration (rolling start ofcourse) as the AWD system weighs down the GTS-4.......but that also means that you get more power to the ground once modified......all comes down to whether you want AWD traction and handling, or RWD fun.

[wantsanr32]

GTS-4 has better handling, the GTST has better acceleration (rolling start ofcourse) as the AWD system weighs down the GTS-4.......but that also means that you get more power to the ground once modified......all comes down to whether you want AWD traction and handling, or RWD fun.

i think im ready for some grip

[Roy]

GTS-4 has better handling, the GTST has better acceleration (rolling start ofcourse) as the AWD system weighs down the GTS-4

NO way that the case:)

This is my opinion only...Test drive both and see which you prefer.

About the only way an equally modified GTS4 is going to be as quick as an equally modified GTST is at the drags. It will be more consistant, sure, but thats because the cars dumbs it down for the driver:)

Outside of that the GTST will handle better, generally be quicker, flat out will be nicer to drive point to point and flat out around a track. Again my opinion, other may disagree.

The GTS4 ppl wont agree but thats cool, different strokes for different folks:)

The GTS4 i drove wanted to understeer, didnt feel sharp to drive, and wasnt as quick as the GTST i ended up buying. Both were basically stock except for exhaust.

If you want something with traction galore then the GTS4 is probably the thing. But traction does not equal handling and i dare say grip. With the power the RB20 is going to make you will never have traction problems anyway.

Dont be fooled into thinking 4WD is the answer to the performance equation. If you have 500hp and need tyres to last the length of a 34 lap race then the equation comes out in favour of 4wd, but if thats not what your looking to do with the car then consider them each on their merits after you have driven them...

Happy shopping:thumbsup:

[wantsanr32]

NO way that the case:)

This is my opinion only...Test drive both and see which you prefer.

About the only way an equally modified GTS4 is going to be as quick as an equally modified GTST is at the drags. It will be  more consistant, sure, but thats because the cars dumbs it down for the driver:)

Outside of that the GTST will handle better, generally be quicker, flat out will be nicer to drive point to point and flat out around a track. Again my opinion, other may disagree.

The GTS4 ppl wont agree but thats cool, different strokes for different folks:)

The GTS4 i drove wanted to understeer, didnt feel sharp to drive, and wasnt as quick as the GTST i ended up buying. Both were basically stock except for exhaust.

If you want something with traction galore then the GTS4 is probably the thing. But traction does not equal handling and i dare say grip.  With the power the RB20 is going to make you will never have traction problems anyway.

Dont be fooled into thinking 4WD is the answer to the performance equation. If you have 500hp and need tyres to last the length of a 34 lap race then the equation comes out in favour of 4wd, but if thats not what your looking to do with the car then consider them each on their merits after you have driven them...

Happy shopping:thumbsup:

will the cornering ability of both cars stock be superior in the gts4, or even with an equally modified suspension setup?

[B-Man]

Hi Roy - you are gonna have to give me some R32 performance tips now mate.... ha ha

I look at it like this - You can make a GTS-t and a GTS-4 more powerful by upping boost, etc yada yada.

You can't easily change a GTS-t into an AWD car - But you can easily turn a GTS-4 into a Rearwheel drive car.

You can lighten a GTS-4 by stipping down stuff A/C, Hicas, Seats, etc - If you are really serious....

I reckon (my opinion only) it wouldn't be too hard to get a GTS-4 to outhandle a GTS-t.

The other advantage of a GTS-4 is that once you have flogged the crap out of the motor - just f drop in an RB26 and you have a GTR Nice....

4 Door R32 GTR coming right up :)

[B-Man]

Anyway - 4WD is sucha big wank you just gotta have it :)

[MADGT4]

Well i've never had understeering problems with my GTS4.....

I've driven GTSt's and honestly i would not even think about trading for a moment!

GTS4 is alot more superior in my opinion!

[IOWNU]

Outside of that the GTST will handle better, generally be quicker, flat out will be nicer to drive point to point and flat out around a track. Again my opinion, other may disagree.

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I don't think you can say a GTST will outhandle a GTS-4!

AWD= better handling. simple.

[Baz]

Buy a Four door GTS-4 and put an RB26DETT in it and PRESTO!! You have a four door GTR. A very cool and unique conversion to do, that not many people have done it (or had the money to do so).

I have to agree 100% with Roy, hence why I bought the GTST instead of the GTS4

[wantsanr32]

what about price wise these days? is there much difference between the two?

[Roy]

will the cornering ability of both cars stock be superior in the gts4, or even with an equally modified suspension setup?

LOL..you see this is where i get into trouble:)

What dictates the corner speed is a balance of lots of things. Ultimately its the rubber. Then its the suspension ability to keep the tyre in contact with the road over undulations etc. Then it comes down to the drivers steering, braking and turning technique.

The fact there is more weight in the car, and more weight over the front wheels (on paper...backed up only by the brief drive i had of a GTS4) means that the susp has to work harder to maintain that control because of added weight. Then the tyres have to up to the task of handling the added weight.

But the AWD does help with controlling the drivers throttle application, which is no small task in turbo cars because of their power delivery.

But even still consider the front wheels are already trying to corner, then the AWD computer throws drive at the front wheels because perhaps you have a bit too much throttle mid corner etc etc.

I dont know:) , but i believe that the lighter car will have a higher corner speed all other things being equal. If you had to do that same corner 35 times back to back then the AWD will most likely look after the tryes better as you will be less likely to be wheelspinning and all the tyres will be providing the drive out of corners which to my understanding is harder on tyres then just steering the thing.

LOL..see i have no idea, but like i said, these are my thoughts...and dont go quoting GTRs. Std they have wider tracks, better grunt, wider tyres, better diffs etc etc so there is any number of reasons why the GTR doesnt come into a comparison with a GTS4:)

[Baz]

Well i've never had understeering problems with my GTS4.....

I've driven GTSt's and honestly i would not even think about trading for a moment!

GTS4 is alot more superior in my opinion!

Setting the suspension up properly with a few minor mods and that will not be the case. I have already fixed the understeering problem. Actually probably oversteers more than would be suitable for a track car but it is so much fun.

It wont understeer because its a 4WD over a 2WD but disable the 4WD system and I imagine all the weight at the front due to the 4WD drivetrain would make it far worse than the handling of a GTST.

[Baz]

what about price wise these days? is there much difference between the two?

Pricewise there almost exactly the same. The GTS4 is probably harder to locate though

[Roy]

I don't think you can say a GTST will outhandle a GTS-4!

AWD= better handling. simple.

Why?

I have driven both with similar mods, and with demons in the head whispering to me i went the direction i did. I have offered thoughts and reasons...help me out with a GTS4 perspective.

...and B-Man, welcome to the party pal, R32 ownership is all good:)

[B-Man]

Buy a Four door GTS-4 and put an RB26DETT in it and PRESTO!! You have a four door GTR. A very cool and unique conversion to do, that not many people have done it (or had the money to do so).

I have to agree 100% with Roy, hence why I bought the GTST instead of the GTS4

You'd only do that if you your motor blew and you could get a good RB26 for cheap - otherwise an R32 GTR would be the way to go.

I will have paid about $10G (on the road) for my GTS-4 (4 door, manual) by the time I get it complied and regoed - I reckon it would cost more than 6-7K for the RB26 conversion - so for the same $$ you can get a GTR.

However, If you coulf get an RB26 for $2K (same price Just jap quotes for an RB20DET) and you could install it yourseld - You'd be laughing.

I'd love to do it - but nowdays , I have more sense than $$

[Baz]

You'd only do that if you your motor blew and you could get a good RB26 for cheap - otherwise an R32 GTR would be the way to go.

I wouldn't reccomend this conversion for the light hearted who wasn't prepared to spend a lot more money upfront over a GTR. If you wanted to buy a car solely for making it into a fast car buy a GTR. The four door conversion is just so much more unique and the RB26 seems to (in theory) fit in really easily. And plus being different is a good thing

[IOWNU]

Why?

I have driven both with similar mods, and with demons in the back of my mind went the direction i did. I have offered thoughts and reasons...help me out with a GTS4 perspective.

I've also driven both cars (my cousin has one (GTS-4) and used to own a GTST on Ls)

I found that a normal GTST felt quite a bit quicker, significantly quicker in fact.

But in terms of handling, the GTS-4 had better cornering capabilities, better grip, delivered power to the ground better, launches heaps better........and in the wet? Game over.

I suppose that in terms of modifcations, the GTS-4 would be a better 'base' to work with, with better 0-100, 1/4 mile times.......on the track, it would come down to suspension setup, all things equal, the GTS-4 should come out trumps

Although the GTS-4 handles better than a GTST, as you have said, you cannot compare it to a GTR! Different league altogether.