Rb Head Vs Jz Head

[Sydneykid]

You have not been defensive at all. You said that a GTR is a better car than the Toyotas and I agree with you. I think its a joke to compare engines by looking at circuit times. Anyone that argues MPH at the drags is not a good indication of an engines power potential compared to circuit lap times needs to wake up.

PS, I just got some PM about fitting a JZ into a nissan. Seems there are some switched on Nissan owners out there

A give me a break.

Any one can build an engine to run for 1/4 mile and then blow itself to pieces

What does that prove?

I can build a better hand grenade than you

Or I have bigger budget than you and I can afford to blow up 50 engines a year searching for the last poofteenth

Let’s see it run at varying loads for a few hours, that’s a real test of engine’s power over time (the only true measure)

Stop with the drag racing from the US rubbish

It proves nothing, other than yanks like JZ’s because the turbos are on the right side for them

So what

cheers

[DennisRB30]

A give me a break.

Any one can build an engine to run for 1/4 mile and then blow itself to pieces

What does that prove?

I can build a better hand grenade than you

Or I have bigger budget than you and I can afford to blow up 50 engines a year searching for the last poofteenth

Let’s see it run at varying loads for a few hours, that’s a real test of engine’s power over time (the only true measure)

Stop with the drag racing from the US rubbish

It proves nothing, other than yanks like JZ’s because the turbos are on the right side for them

So what

cheers

No the Japanese NEVER spend near infinite amounts of money on drag skylines. lol

Well at least you admit JZ's make more power when fully worked in drag cars before they blow up. Doesnt that prove that they are more reliable? Also it takes a special person to argue RBs are more reliable than JZ's. Can anyone say f**ked oil pump drive or cracked block?

Edited July 10, 2006 by DennisRB30

[2rismo]

You have not been defensive at all. You said that a GTR is a better car than the Toyotas and I agree with you. I think its a joke to compare engines by looking at circuit times. Anyone that argues MPH at the drags is not a good indication of an engines power potential compared to circuit lap times needs to wake up.

PS, I just got some PM about fitting a JZ into a nissan. Seems there are some switched on Nissan owners out there

Sorry, point out where I said any such thing. Are you smoking crack?

WTF?

[Sydneykid]

Can anyone say f**ked oil pump drive or cracked block?

Can you say useless inlet manifold, ridiculous double throttle body, lousy cam followers, soft valve springs, poor water jacket design, crap exhaust manifold, excessive rotating mass..................the list is almost endless (no, not the brake pads).

Toyota thought so much of JZ's that they stopped making them after what, 6 years.

Nissan made RB's for 18 years.

Pretty obvious who had more faith in their design

Anybody that compares a handful of top level drag meetings in a year in Japan with at least 2 every weekend in the US, is either naive or stupid, perhaps both. But even that doesn’t compare with the temerity necessary to compare one discipline of engine performance in one geographic area of the world with that achieved world wide in other disciplines. It’s a stupid as the US baseball being called the World Series, it’s a joke, but nowhere near as funny as you.

cheers

[R31Nismoid]

Why is this thread here... i mean really, after my post on the first page im still seeing little point.

Dennis, all it seems is you have started a thread and by post #5 (your own post) your talking about cars running great times with JZ's which almost totally unrelated to your first post... and by post #8 you've turned it into a RB vs JZ debate yourself

So in effect who cares what someone with a seemingly infinte budget has achieved with any given motor?

Does it mean one is better than the other? No.

Is one "better" than the other? No.

There are too many variables to go into, and i think on page #1 you have the flow answers by doughboy.

[elGTR]

Can you say useless inlet manifold, ridiculous double throttle body, lousy cam followers, soft valve springs, poor water jacket design, crap exhaust manifold, excessive rotating mass..................the list is almost endless (no, not the brake pads).

Toyota thought so much of JZ's that they stopped making them after what, 6 years.

Nissan made RB's for 18 years.

Pretty obvious who had more faith in their design

Ok Nissan has been making the RB for 18 years and still can't surpass toyotas 2J hahahaha, there are quite a few gtr'r in the US but they are not as famous as they require imense amounts of money to make decent power.

[DennisRB30]

Sorry, point out where I said any such thing. Are you smoking crack?

I must agree with disco. The GTR is awesome. The GTR is great. Datsuns are better then Toyota.

WTF are you on about? That's all I was claiming you said. Then I even agreed with you. I never said YOU were claiming anything about circuit vs drag etc etc. Nismoid and Sydneykid were talking about that. Calm down. I am agreeing to what you are saying. I think you have misunderstood me somewhere.

Nismoid. Post 4 was relevant to some supposed test which claimed possible better head flows because engines shared the same turbo. I was pointing out differences as to why this test was not relevant in that the 1JZ has small cams and the engine will make large power via high boost rather than high revs. Post 8 was in response to the preceding post which claimed that RBs are great value for money. And the only real info on head flows was given by me in my link. No one else has provided any.

Sydneykid. It seems you have a real chip on your shoulder and are quick to use hypocritical personal insults. Sure, its probably easy to get away with it on this forum since you have thousands of RB loving mates on here. But there is no need to carry on like that mate. Let me refresh your memory. You claimed that RBs will always win races over JZ's then when we pointed out this is not true you attack and claim our examples are not relevant, but your examples are relevant even though circuit racing is more of a test of handling (chassis) capability than engine capability.

Ok Nissan has been making the RB for 18 years and still can't surpass toyotas 2J hahahaha, there are quite a few gtr'r in the US but they are not as famous as they require imense amounts of money to make decent power.

lol.

Cheers Dennis. Skyline and JZ fan. Its a tough life likeing both. But here are quite a few JZ skylines in the make as we speak, and plenty of silvas already

Edited July 10, 2006 by DennisRB30

[2rismo]

You are mis-quoting me and putting words in my mouth. Where in the hell did I say that the GTR is superior?

Wake up!

[Sydneykid]

Sydneykid. It seems you have a real chip on your shoulder and are quick to use hypocritical personal insults. Sure, its probably easy to get away with it on this forum since you have thousands of RB loving mates on here. But there is no need to carry on like that mate. Let me refresh your memory. You claimed that RBs will always win races over JZ's then when we pointed out this is not true you attack and claim our examples are not relevant, but your examples are relevant even though circuit racing is more of a test of handling (chassis) capability than engine capability.

lol.

Actually, I am just jerking your chain, because it's all too easy to tease the monkeys.

I am always up for a challenge, heard of pink slip racing?

Welll.................

I will bet your JZ can't beat my RB down the 1/4 mile

No chassis or tyres or gearboxes or driver, just the engines on their own

Side by side, when the flag drops the BS stops

If your engine wins, you can have mine

cheers

PS; because that's exactly what you have been saying, a JZ is faster than an RB.

Edited July 10, 2006 by Sydneykid

[DennisRB30]

You are mis-quoting me and putting words in my mouth. Where in the hell did I say that the GTR is superior?

Wake up!

Oops I did misquote you on the GTR comment. My apologies. Was a mistake on my behalf. I agree with all the ACTUAL stuff you said though.

[DennisRB30]

Actually, I am just jerking your chain, because it's all too easy to tease the monkeys.

I am always up for a challenge, heard of pink slip racing?

Welll.................

I will bet your JZ can't beat my RB down the 1/4 mile

No chassis or tyres or gearboxes or driver, just the engines on their own

Side by side, when the flag drops the BS stops

If your engine wins, you can have mine

biggrin.gif cheers biggrin.gif

lol. How strong are you? The JZ is heavier so I will need my protein shakes if we have to scull drag them over the quarter mile. But in all seriousnes, circuit racing has a lot more variables than drag racing when it comes to comparing engines. Have you seen that shitty looking sunny that does 10s? The suspension is nearly stock and gets great times via a powerful engine. Put it round a circuit with a good handling car with a 100kw engine and it would probably loose.

PS; because that's exactly what you have been saying, a JZ is faster than an RB.

Come on man. You came up with the RB's always been JZ comment. You should have said skylines beat supras round circuit. Thats more relevant. I am saying that JZs will be more reliable and make more power for less money than RB's.

Edited July 10, 2006 by DennisRB30

[R31Nismoid]

I think we just had the comment of the day

[predator]

The toyotas have a weight disadvantage, and also have a two wheel disadvantage. Nissan realised while power was nice, traction was even better.

I don't know whether this says much for the engines themselves. They are just in different packages.

Toyota thought so much of JZ's that they stopped making them after what, 6 years.

The 1jz was produced from 1989 in the JZA70 supra until about 2004.. with some revisions along the way. And the 2jz from 1993 to 2002. I'd say that meant Toyota had a fair bit of faith in their design. As much as Nissan even

[Sydneykid]

lol. How strong are you? The JZ is heavier so I will need my protein shakes if we have to scull drag them over the quarter mile. But in all seriousnes, circuit racing has a lot more variables than drag racing when it comes to comparing engines. Have you seen that shitty looking sunny that does 10s? The suspension is nearly stock and gets great times via a powerful engine. Put it round a circuit with a good handling car with a 100kw engine and it would probably loose.

Oh goody, more chances to make you look silly..........

So what you are saying is I couldn't take the JZ out of the Supra, Lexus or whatever it is and replace it with another engine and go just as fast? The chassis, driver, tyres, suspension etc are completely irrelevant, only the engine matters in drag racing. Is that right?

Hang on, I'll just hop onto the phone and save 1,000's of drag race teams heaps of money.

Sack the chassis engineers, lose the driveline specialists, drop the tyre technicians, flick the drivers and pay the engine guys double.

That's all that really matters

cheers

[elGTR]

The toyotas have a weight disadvantage, and also have a two wheel disadvantage. Nissan realised while power was nice, traction was even better.

I don't know whether this says much for the engines themselves. They are just in different packages.

The 1jz was produced from 1989 in the JZA70 supra until about 2004.. with some revisions along the way. And the 2jz from 1993 to 2002. I'd say that meant Toyota had a fair bit of faith in their design. As much as Nissan even

wheight disadvantage? compared to what? an r32gtr? if thats what you think you are wrong they are about the same weight and has been discussed on many different articles, eg, HPI, Speed.

[DennisRB30]

Sydneykid. What is your point mate?

I said its LESS relevant. Not irrelevant! You know for a fact that you don't need the most power to win circuit races. Its possible to get a lot faster by spending all the money on the chassis with stock power. If I get a stock car and spend all my money on drag style suspension it will hardly get faster. Obviously you cant have a 1000hp engine in a stock car with shit driver and get awesome drag results. But you have to agree this 1000hp stock suspension car will be MUCH more successful at drag racing than it would at circuit racing. That is my point. There is simply no way to go fast in drag racing without huge power, you can't make up time with a well setup chassis if you don't have the power to go faster.

Edited July 10, 2006 by DennisRB30

[Sydneykid]

wheight disadvantage? compared to what? an r32gtr? if thats what you think you are wrong they are about the same weight and has been discussed on many different articles, eg, HPI, Speed.

Two separate statements;

A 2wd Skylines with an RB is lighter than a 2wd Toyota (Lexus) with a JZ.

A 4wd Skyline with an RB has a traction advantage over a 2 wd Toyota (Lexus) with a JZ.

HPI, Speed, Zoom etc are dumb, they know lots of little things about lots of cars

But not enough detail about any particular car to be of much use

That's why forums (like this excellent one) exist

To fill in the information void left by magazines

cheers

[DennisRB30]

Look at cars like lotus etc. They have fricking Camry engines in them and will FLOG skylines because they handle so well. Can this be used to compare the Camry engine to a RB26? Putting both engines in a similar weight well set up drag chassis with compenent drivers (which is exactly what you see in real world drag racing) will give a half decent comparison where the lotus VS GTR around a circuit proved absolutely NOTHING.

[The Dan]

What about the 26B?

cheers

Not 100% on this SK...it's been a while but I think it is actually referred to as a 26D. That is if you are referring to the Quad Rotor, quad turbo version. The Quad rotor, twin turbo may have been a B.

[elGTR]

sydneykid you seem pretty defensive in your comments, but what do you have to show? how much money have you spent? You seem all talk mate, I wish one day u come across some of my mates single turbo Sups, i know a few single turbs sups that have upset alot of big cars on these forums. So don't be biased mate.