Commodore Is Not The Best Car Ever

[HR32_GTS-T]

Quote: but does anyone know how many kw the gts hsv will have:Quote

calisV an a few other models are 320kw, but iv herd from a friend that work for holden that the hsv models should have close to 360kw. but kno-one knows for sure yet.

Edited August 4, 2006 by HR32_GTS-T

[govich]

calisV an a few other models are 320kw

No they aren't. SS, SS V and Calais V get the 270kW/530Nm V8.

What you guys might be interested in are MOTOR's figures for the 1690kg manual SS V. 5.35 0-100 and 13.63 quarter mile on a damp track. These things aren't hanging around.

[Mandingo]

cant wait to line up a new SS and hand him his arse cheeks

LOL @ 270 KW in 1700 KG.

Some guy I know who's dad has holden lion cock up his ass said that apparently they handle decently now

[The_Paladin]

you dont need handleing at the lights, which is where your adverage commodores power is expressed.

[scathing]

Some guy I know who's dad has holden lion cock up his ass said that apparently they handle decently now

That's what they said about the various 260kW+ VY-VZ HSV's, which still weren't as quick around the track as a 206kW 350Z.

[djr81]

Taking an HSV to the track is a bit like taking a barge to the track. There is a reason you don't see them competing in club level sprint events & the like. Reason is they really suck when they get near a circuit. So the HSV owners clubs stick to themselves & save on embarrassment.

[evil_weevil]

half you guys are just too close minded.

really - above comment - I have seen heaps at club days and hand hand out cans of whoop ass.

remember they are a family cars with grunt. of course a 350z and skylines are going to beat them around a track. who cares?

at least their taking the cars o the track and having fun!!

I took my old VT LS1 to track days - sure its a "barge" and did a 2min flat around the Creek - It was fun!

back to the topic - no, commodores arent the best car - and neither are skylines!

its personal opinions! geeeees!

[Wink]

Tidbits of info:

New HSVs are going to use 6.2L V8

There is a rumoured 'super-coupe' which will be released by Holden using the Corvette Z06's 7.3L beast engine. If so, this thing would seriously own all before it.

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[JCMarshall_Law]

So many experts... So little time...

[djr81]

half you guys are just too close minded.

really - above comment - I have seen heaps at club days and hand hand out cans of whoop ass.

Well to take the example of the last SES sprint at Wanneroo, out of 90 entrants there was exactly zero HSV's. Which is not untypical. There were on the other hand, BMW M3's, GT40 replicas, old Alfa Romeo's, rotary Mazda's, a Lancia Delta Integrale, Westfield's, WRX's, Skylines, a Honda 2000s, even a Falcon ute - infact just about any and everything that a person who is interested in cars would enjoy.

That you don't like something doesn't make you close minded. It may actually make you an astute judge.

[evil_weevil]

fair enough - those HSV owners there are missing out!!

Oh, I wasnt having a go at you, sorry if i sounded like I was - its just everytime "commodore or HSV" is mentioned here they get shot down!

Im just over all the commodore and hsv bashing really.

[scathing]

Taking an HSV to the track is a bit like taking a barge to the track. There is a reason you don't see them competing in club level sprint events & the like. Reason is they really suck when they get near a circuit. So the HSV owners clubs stick to themselves & save on embarrassment.

I dunno, you see the older cars out there at club level if I remember correctly. They are cheap cars for the power, and you can get some handling out of them if you build it primarily for track. Not as good as with a lighter car with more modern suspension design, but it'll still go alright.

But, at club level, most people stick with their clubs which means sticking with their manufacturers. Especially with the newer cars where people are less likely to want to bend them at door-to-door racing or more competitive supersprinting. I hardly ever see Ferraris and modern Porsches at supersprints or track days either, but that doesn't mean they suck at the track. They just stick to their Burrows Days and own club supersprints because that's all the owners are interested in doing.

I run with an interclub supersprint as a member of the Nissan Sports Car Club, and one of those clubs is the HSV Owner's Club of NSW. Here are the results from the last supersprint at Eastern Creek. The fastest streetable Holden was Number 998 in a Clubsport, at a not-bad 1:51. And that car's relatively new (post VT, anyway). At Wakefield he's pretty quick too.

And I don't think 998 looks much different now to when this was taken (I haven't been out for a while due to a myriad of issues with my car). A 3D class means its pretty heavily modified, but no moreso than a quite a few of the Skylines and Silvias I see running around.

[scathing]

Oh, I wasnt having a go at you, sorry if i sounded like I was - its just everytime "commodore or HSV" is mentioned here they get shot down!

Im just over all the commodore and hsv bashing really.

Dude.........you're on a Jap import forum, and not only that its focused on a car that once dominated tin-top racing in this country over the Commodore.

Try this out on a Holden or Ford related site, and watch what happens. The flannelette will catch fire. Even if you were to go Holden vs Skylines on a Ford forum, chances are the blue bloods will defend the their fellow 'Strayans over the "Jap crap".

[Munna1]

Read the articles in the latest wheels magazine and I must say its certainly a fantasic looking car. Extra 100kg over the old model is a worry they were already heavy enough.

Have driven the vz model with the new v6 and its pretty un-impressive a improvement over the old v6 but I expected more. Cant wait to test drive the car and to expect the build quality. I must say the build quality in the vz is much better than that of the BA easpecially the interior but still nothing compared to a japanese or europeon car.

[djr81]

Dude.........you're on a Jap import forum, and not only that its focused on a car that once dominated tin-top racing in this country over the Commodore.

Try this out on a Holden or Ford related site, and watch what happens. The flannelette will catch fire. Even if you were to go Holden vs Skylines on a Ford forum, chances are the blue bloods will defend the their fellow 'Strayans over the "Jap crap".

Hey man, don't stereotype people. I love driving my line wearing a flannie.

Flannel, the new black.

Edited August 7, 2006 by djr81

[The Baron]

Okay - so I work for the competition - but the new Camry is an awful lot more like Australia's next family car then the Commodore VE.

Saw the V8 in the flesh in Prahran on Saturday - quad pipes and V8 but also an enormous Arse end overhang compared to a very short snout - did not like it one bit.

Holden have bet on the wronf horse with the new Commodore - it's a car for a different time when petrol was 80c a litre.

[djr81]

Okay - so I work for the competition - but the new Camry is an awful lot more like Australia's next family car then the Commodore VE.

Saw the V8 in the flesh in Prahran on Saturday - quad pipes and V8 but also an enormous Arse end overhang compared to a very short snout - did not like it one bit.

Holden have bet on the wronf horse with the new Commodore - it's a car for a different time when petrol was 80c a litre.

So, someone who works with Camry's is claiming a Commode has a fat arse?

Toyota have been predicitng the extinction of the Commodore/Foulcon for a very long time now. They did it with the Camry's in about 1990 (The one with the chook in the ads), then again with the last series, again with the Avalon (Remember them?) & now again with the Aurion or whatever they are to call it. Keep in mind Ford doesn't import the Mondeo because they don't sell, nor do the mid sized Holdens much.

I don't mind Toyotas. I just wish they could build something interesting to go with all that build quality & bulletproof reliability. Having said that, the new hybrid Lexus is a fine thing.

Edited August 7, 2006 by djr81

[scathing]

Saw the V8 in the flesh in Prahran on Saturday - quad pipes and V8 but also an enormous Arse end overhang compared to a very short snout - did not like it one bit.

Check out the Peugeot 407 if you want to see what happens if they build it the other way. It looks worse.

I quite the look of the new VE Commodore from side-on, but it does look like a BA / BF Falcon. Which is ironic, because I said the then-new BA Falcon looked a lot nicer when it was released since they dropped the ugliness that was the AU Falcon and made something that looked more like a Commodore.

On a big family sedan I don't mind having a larger rear overhang to give a bigger boot, and a shorter front overhang works for me for technical reasons.

[djr81]

Check out the Peugeot 407 if you want to see what happens if they build it the other way. It looks worse.

I quite the look of the new VE Commodore from side-on, but it does look like a BA / BF Falcon. Which is ironic, because I said the then-new BA Falcon looked a lot nicer when it was released since they dropped the ugliness that was the AU Falcon and made something that looked more like a Commodore.

On a big family sedan I don't mind having a larger rear overhang to give a bigger boot, and a shorter front overhang works for me for technical reasons.

Funny that, I looked at the new Commode & thought it looks much more like a Camry than it ever did. Particularly from side on.

[scathing]

The cabin section is all-Camry too, in my eyes. When I saw pics of the SS-V on Holden's web site, I almost mistook it for a Camry Sportivo. The C pillar and shutline on the trailing edge of the rear doors especially.

But the squared headlight and tail light arrays, and the slope of the front bonnet, from the side-on shot look like a BA Falcon's (which is more what I was focusing on since The Baron was talking about the front and rear overhangs).

If I took the detail out to leave just solid black and looked at it in silhouette, I would have issues separating the two.