Gtr Or 2jz

[Silent]

We are leaning towards the 2jz. the reason we are doing this is for something different sure we could bolt an 8 or a crate motor in.

anybody seen it done?

[WazR32GTSt]

rb30det

[Cubes]

even a 1jz is better built than a rb26... id go the 2jz for the ute

Its not about being better built.

Both motors are able to make enough reliable power for traction on the street to be a problem.

Drag only application. Completely different ball game.

[_8OO5TED_]

We are leaning towards the 2jz. the reason we are doing this is for something different sure we could bolt an 8 or a crate motor in.

anybody seen it done?

yes, there was a light blue VY ute with a 2JZGTE and getrag 6spd in it in Perth. Saw it at Drag Combat 2006.

Did mid 12s from memory and pretty stock too. just cooler, exhaust, pods and a bit of boost.

Edited February 27, 2007 by _8OO5TED_

[VB-]

regarding what sydneykid said,

-throttle response is nice for the street, toque is better. think of 4AGE vs LS1, i know what i'd rather drive every day. this is not taking into acount fuel consumption, and in the GENIII's case, oil consumption

-toyota dont have a good box for the 2JZ, they used a getrag, so there is a very good box, who gives a f*ck if toyota didnt build it

-if you dont have traction, you havent set it up right. i'm guessing theres are more supras out there running 7's than there is skylines (not on slicks either) not to mention there is no variable for the driveline, it will be rwd whatever motor goes in, i doubt this thing will be made into 4wd (prove me wrong.... please...)

-very good point about the engine and how it ties in, not just what the engine itself is, in this case, i'm still sticking with the 2JZ

[scathing]

We are leaning towards the 2jz. the reason we are doing this is for something different

Why not bolt the 1.5L twin cam out of an Excel into it? That would be "different".

For pure irony, why not go for an EJ20T / EJ25T out of a WRX? I'm assuming there are 20B utes out there.

[Silent]

Why not bolt the 1.5L twin cam out of an Excel into it? That would be "different".

For pure irony, why not go for an EJ20T / EJ25T out of a WRX? I'm assuming there are 20B utes out there.

hahah funny man please think b4 you post

[scathing]

hahah funny man please think b4 you post

I have thought before I've post. And after long consideration and reading lots of posts on various car forums, I've concluded that anyone who modifies their car purely because its "different" is a retard.

For example, I am pretty much sure the clown mentioned here did that engine conversion and colour scheme to be "different". I lost track of the number of people, a few years ago, that were spraying their cars in chameleon paint, and subsequently hot pink, to be "different".

If people break new ground and try something revolutionary to improve the vehicle then I'm all for it. But those people generally have a good engineering theory behind why they're doing something no-one's done before, and will say so. The first person to use an S14 five-speed in an S15 probably did it because he realised it was a stronger gearbox than the often-failing 6 speeder, rather than toughening up the existing box. Or people rebuilding their engines with a forged, high compression bottom end and a well matched turbo running low boost so they can maximise response while still generating a fair amount of power.

I'm not saying the RB26 or 2J is a crap engine, and its a hell of a lot better than the V6 donk Holden uses. It would have the potential of being a very quick ute, although whether it'd be quicker than a FI V8 is another question. But whenever I see someone whose justification for doing something is "different" rather than "better because".....my idiot alarm goes off. And that's when I start suggesting suitably idiotic mods.

Edited February 27, 2007 by scathing

[LBR33]

regarding what sydneykid said,

-throttle response is nice for the street, toque is better. think of 4AGE vs LS1, i know what i'd rather drive every day. this is not taking into acount fuel consumption, and in the GENIII's case, oil consumption

-toyota dont have a good box for the 2JZ, they used a getrag, so there is a very good box, who gives a f*ck if toyota didnt build it

-if you dont have traction, you havent set it up right. i'm guessing theres are more supras out there running 7's than there is skylines (not on slicks either) not to mention there is no variable for the driveline, it will be rwd whatever motor goes in, i doubt this thing will be made into 4wd (prove me wrong.... please...)

-very good point about the engine and how it ties in, not just what the engine itself is, in this case, i'm still sticking with the 2JZ

I was actually trying to find another post he did about price vs kw comparison but couldnt find it

[benro2]

Hehe if you're after something original that no one would ever consider doing, how about the Ford I6 from the XR6 Turbo? Nizpro managed to get 1000hp (or more?) and 8000rpm out of it a while ago, and there are plenty of relatively cheap, off-the-shelf power-up kits for it. Would have more torque than the 2JZ and from what I've seen, is quite a tough little bugger. Probably not as tough as a 2JZ stock for stock, but who wants stock?

[spx25t]

if you are after some advice from Someone who has done the conversion before Anthony from Maxtech put a 2j into his commodore ute and with only bolt ons ran into the 10's with it.

But he has done the conversion so he would have the knowledge.

[GUN_METAL_GTR32]

ive owned both so from experience i would go the 2jz. its such an overengineered motor compared to the gtr motor the power u can pull out is so much higher and some what cheaper. a while ago when i was surfing the supra forums there was a vs ute on there for sale with a 2jzgte a f**k load of power and he was selling for heaps

[Big Rizza]

What's the deal with people saying the LS1 monsters the 2JZ for torque? 2JZ makes just as much torque as the LS1, and at lower revs.

VT LS1 = 446Nm at 4400rpm

VY LS1 = 465Nm at 4400rpm

VVTi 2JZ = 451Nm at 3600 rpm

non-VVTi 2JZ = 440Nm at 3600 rpm; or 380Nm at just 1300rpm

Edited February 28, 2007 by Big Rizza

[benro2]

What's the deal with people saying the LS1 monsters the 2JZ for torque? 2JZ makes just as much torque as the LS1, but at lower revs.

VT LS1 = 446Nm at 4400rpm

VY LS1 = 465Nm at 4400rpm

VVTi 2JZ = 451Nm at 3600 rpm

non-VVTi 2JZ = 440Nm at 3600 rpm; or 380Nm at just 1300rpm

True, but once you put a big arse single or bigger twins you're gonna lose bottom end grunt.

[mrgilly]

True, but once you put a big arse single or bigger twins you're gonna lose bottom end grunt.

Bingo!

I'd be throwing an XR6T donk in it! (like someone said earlier)

[ctjet]

A Ford motor in a Holden chassis... purists will have a missive problem with that

but if it works who cares

[benro2]

Bingo!

I'd be throwing an XR6T donk in it! (like someone said earlier)

Hehe that was me

A Ford motor in a Holden chassis... purists will have a missive problem with that

but if it works who cares

Yep, they certainly would, but still, it would be excellent to see it done! I wonder what everyone would think about putting the XR6 Turbo engine in a GTR? A comparatively cheap way of getting a huge stroker engine... bugger the OS Giken multi-thousand dollar kits for "only" what, 3.1L is it? Go the 4.0L!!!!

[ctjet]

Your obviously a bit of a Ford fan then

[benro2]

Your obviously a bit of a Ford fan then

Hehe well not really actually, my dad has a Holden Calais and we don't have Fords around - I just like the XR6T engine! I'm more like what you'd call a fence-sitter - I'd buy whatever the best product was that was out. And if I have a Ford fan around I'll start talking up the Holdens just to piss em off... and vice versa

[Silent]

2jz is being planned