Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

I have been enquiring about cages for my road car of late. And there seems to be so much misinformation floating around. So rather then propogate all the misinformation David Brown from Brown Davis Motorsport will be coming along to next weeks Club Meeting.

He builds cages for Targa Cars, drift cars, club cars, race cars...if they have cages he builds them . He is aslo on teh Advisory Board for CAMS and Vic Roads so you can walk away with all the facts and be able to decide for yourself with the right information what best suits your needs.

No i just have to save up enough money for mine :)

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...howtopic=164024

Link to comment
https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/164209-roll-cages-myths-and-fallacies/
Share on other sites

  • Replies 123
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Is anyone from around Mullgrave/Glen Waverley/Dandenong going? I probably won't have a gearbox-in-car by then, but wouldn't mind going along for a chat/meal/drink, so, . . umm, . . . aaahh.. . . Can I bum a lift? :wub:

If I have any money to buy dinner by then.. . . . . (stupid dumb gearbox)

what's the cage for troy... rally stuff?

LOL...becasue if im going to hit somehting, i think im going quick enough that its going to hurt more then i like. I want a half cage so that i can run side intrusion bars that i can bolt in for the track and be legal with on the street.

The ability to actually do some things like Mt Bulla would be a bonus as well.

Is anyone from around Mullgrave/Glen Waverley/Dandenong going? I probably won't have a gearbox-in-car by then, but wouldn't mind going along for a chat/meal/drink, so, . . umm, . . . aaahh.. . . Can I bum a lift? :wub:

If I have any money to buy dinner by then.. . . . . (stupid dumb gearbox)

Post up in the meeting thread. A lot of people come from over that way. R32Bigboy. Belsil80 etc etc. Im sure someone can get you here.

As for the dinner thing, yeh i just eat ppls left overs :stupid:

This might sound silly but on the Winton and Calder days with WRX club do you have to really have a roll cage on slicks since the track is not CAMS? I know you don't need a cage on practice days. Just a thought I had recently. Do they use cams or aasa insurance?

I like the idea of a cage since being paraplegic or retard vs normal = cheap since ours cars are now going faster and the idea of using slicks turns me on.

Its a Supp Reg thing so yeh. No matter what insurance they run under the Supp Regs dictate you need a cage with slicks.

But the cost and availability for 2nd hand slicks means i offset the cost of a cage with one set of tyres :) If they arent as quick as new slicks, they cant be that bad

Yeah, but it wouldn't be CAMS approved, so it's useless for competing with.

I'll be aiming to get one in the latter half of the year. If I roll I'm dead for sure, so it seems like good insurance :O Being tall isn't always great... :P

for what reason is it not approved? Its padded and well designed.As for it being useless for competing in - Its a Drift car - I have taken passengers at Winton before in it.

I had my head around this 2 years ago when I was doing all the CAMS scrutineering training and prac. But not so much today. Not to mention that the cage requirements change a little every year.

Assuming your cage is like most, it does not comply with the FIA / CAMS requirements for cages. For starters if it’s a 6 point it has two many bends in the front legs. Secondly the grade, diameter and wall thickness of the main roll over hoop does not comply with the guidelines. The guidelines are a a known receip for a cage. Cmply wth that and you are fine. Go outside that and you have to spend a lot of money on engineering and FEA analysis to demonstrate the cage is meets/exceeds their guidelines. Does it interfere with the use of window/door/locking mechanicsms, sun visors etc. There are a whole host of things that mean that Jap cages don’t comply.

Competition = PC licence or higher. Not the L2S speed stuff we do :P

hahaha @ the speed stuff you do - how is that more dangerous that coming into a corner with a 170 km/h entry sideways and keeping your foot into it while banging the steering on full lock :cheers:

I have a 4 point rollcage, the top bar is a seperate peice so there is no bends, only two where it bends to the contour of the rear window. It is the approved thickness and has been padded. Made by KSP engineering in Japan.

hahaha @ the speed stuff you do - how is that more dangerous that coming into a corner with a 170 km/h entry sideways and keeping your foot into it while banging the steering on full lock :cheers:

I have a 4 point rollcage, the top bar is a seperate peice so there is no bends, only two where it bends to the contour of the rear window. It is the approved thickness and has been padded. Made by KSP engineering in Japan.

Just because it is made by a reputable company in Japan doesnt mean it meets the regs for CAMS here, look at compliance. Why do cars have to be complied?

Cars out of the UK and Japan are amongst the safest in the world yet as imports, they still have to be changed to meet ADR's, same goes for stuff that might meet Japanese competition equipment regs, doesnt automatically mean it meets CAMS legislation.

It isnt about who goes fastest, who has the more dangerous sport, it is regulations.

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Yeah it is always worth testing and balancing actuators out of the box, just set the pressure regulator on a compressor very low (eg 5 psi) and increase it slowly to see when they both move.....unfortunately while you may be able to adjust the length of the actuator rod to minimise any difference, the actual pressure they move from is not adjustable so you need a well matched pair. And yes, the VCAM is probably contributing; the earlier in the rev range they come on boost and the slower the revs build (I think your demo was in 5th), the more you notice it.  Driving at WOT through 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc you will probably never hear it as any shuffling starts and is over super quickly
    • oh they were with that motor, you need to remove the engine to change the spark plugs (don't have to, but it does make it easier)
    • I certainly fall into the annoyed camp, but glad to hear that if it's happening at low boost then I'm not likely going to blow a turbo and end up with metal shards in my oil. Just feels like it prevents me from really driving it without hesitation and "peak" performance. Wonder if it's the VCAM, it did an impressive job of shifting the torque curve and faster spool, but maybe now it's "too fast" and there's too much air for how open the throttle is.  Based on some other threads, will also do some reading on synchronizing the actuators. They are the default actuators that come on the Garrett's and I would think they would be set the same coming from the factory, but if the turbos don't actually work exactly the same way at the same time as previously mentioned, it would be worth making sure the actuators are actuating together properly
    • I went down this rabbit hole before, ended up sourcing a motor from the UK (I'm in Japan) which also didn't function correctly. With the original motor, I disassembled it and reassembled it and it works somewhat, sometimes. What I could deduce from all my screwing around is that there is calibration of the gears on the inside of the motor and two ramps on the main gear which activate switches that operate the motor and move the sunroof either to retract into the roof or tilt. Where I got stuck was that, it seemed in my case that one or both of the switches that are activated by the ramp on the gear did not always activate and thus the motor did not move, causing it to sometimes not retract or tilt (apologies, I've forgotten which way it didn't work.).  Of course this part is discontinued at Nissan now, it's the same part in the S15 but no other models. I also contacted the manufacturer of the component for schematics - forgot the name, they're based in Gifu - but they declined to share the information due to being bound by an NDA, sadly. Looking through my pictures now, it seems I last had a crack at this in 2022. See, I so kindly wrote "open" and "close" next to the switches. If you figure it out, please do tell me. Those little switches, with the red buttons may need to be replaced.
×
×
  • Create New...