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hi guys i just got done for driving a high powered vehicle and i lost 3 points...i was on a 1 point for 12 month condition before that so now im stuffed.

a mate of mine told me that i will be ok if i go to court coz i have had my licence since september last year and that this law (3points) should not apply to me coz i had the car and my licence from before july 1st.is this true or am i gonna be stuffed? thanks guys

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Your stuffed, you'll loose your license for 6 months as you broke the probation, or is it 12 months?

One or the other either way.

R33 GTS-t's were illegal to drive since BEFORE July 1. Regardless of when you got your license.

There was just no real penalty (minor fine, no demerits).

Where now there is a reasonable fine, 3 Demerits... coupled with 5-points in 12 months for P-Platers, driving a car illegally actually isnt viable anymore, nor worth the risk.

In all honesty, this has been covered in that much detail on this website, and by the Gov't. If you didnt know the law then its really a case of tough titties

Look at the bright side, time to purchase a bicycle and get fit for summer.

And if your still 1-2years from full license, sell the car too

As Ash (R31Nismoid) has stated; The "power to weight" law has been around for 15yrs, just wasn't really enforced due to the laughable penalties, now they have corrected that. A quick search of the VIC forum will find threads explaining these rules and also links to the VICroads website.

Save your money as the judge will not change a thing. Don't listen to mates, as they will say what you want to hear, especially when they don't have a clue :thumbsup:

Wow the laws been in place for a while now and you're the first person that I've heard of that's been caught. Did you get the $1100 fine by any chance? Or was that after you got caught a couple of times.

Dunno about "reasonable law"... maybe the huge fine is reasonable.. the points aren't.. 3 points is BS, especially if, like me it's hard to find realistic power and weight figures and your car isn't on the list.. I'm not risking it.. 3 weeks till i can drive it and the gtr ._.

It does not need to be on "the list". The law clearly states the P-to-W calculations.

And certainly a GTR is over-powered.

You go by the factory power/weight specifications of the factory vehicle.

Its really not hard to work out power-to-weight ratio's.

Personally i think its good, as i drove over-powered cars on my P's because the laws were a joke.

And realistically i shouldn't have been driving it.

Now the laws are tougher, i wouldnt even think about temping it when i could loose my license in a blink of an eye for it

Wow the laws been in place for a while now and you're the first person that I've heard of that's been caught. Did you get the $1100 fine by any chance? Or was that after you got caught a couple of times.

friend at work got caught....3 points and around $230 fine i think

i heard that the weight they (cops) use in calculating p2w was the unladen weight of the car - ie the car w/o any fuel, oil and other consumables. is this different to the factory quoted specs and if so does any one know where to find them?

It does not need to be on "the list". The law clearly states the P-to-W calculations.

And certainly a GTR is over-powered.

You go by the factory power/weight specifications of the factory vehicle.

Its really not hard to work out power-to-weight ratio's.

Personally i think its good, as i drove over-powered cars on my P's because the laws were a joke.

And realistically i shouldn't have been driving it.

Now the laws are tougher, i wouldnt even think about temping it when i could loose my license in a blink of an eye for it

Oh sorry, wasn't talking about my GTR, forgot i removed my avatar :thumbsup:

my valiant has the standard 318, 5.2 litre fireball and the tare on the sticker is like 1250 whereas actual weight is more like 1450 (my gtr has 1250 on it too.. i wish^^) and i have seen power figures for the val stating from 220-260hp (even workshop manuals list differently)so it sucks! am too scared to take chances now with this ghey 3 demerit points law.. gogogo nov 5th

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i don't care if this was a 'high powered car' or not, but these laws are designed to protect young, stupid drivers. I was one, once.

you get caught, too bad. it may prevent this:

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/t187883.html

It does not need to be on "the list". The law clearly states the P-to-W calculations.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/c_youngGLS_9b.html

as you can see the cops dont use any magical weight calcs its all here... and yes it is unladen weight

that took around 38 seconds to find from the VIC Roads site

what if you play dumb and tell em you didn't know?

they can't expect EVERYONE to be aware of these laws just coz they drive a r33

Playing dumb wont work.

R33's have been illegal to drive since the P-to-W laws were brought in. They have been around as long as ive been driving.

So they have at least been around since the 1990's.

The onus is on the driver/owner to ensure the car is legal to drive for their license grade, and in a roadworthy state at all times.

friend at work got caught....3 points and around $230 fine i think

Looks like they work their way up with the fines. $230 at first, but then if you don't listen they'll eventually make it $1100.

As much as I hate these laws, I accept it. They're here to protect us.

what if you play dumb and tell em you didn't know?

they can't expect EVERYONE to be aware of these laws just coz they drive a r33

The onus is on the driver to know what they can and can't drive. Everyone knows that P Platers have some sort of restriction, it is even written on the back of every rego label I have had! If that isnt enough to spur people into researching what car they can drive on their P's, I don't know what is.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/c_youngGLS_9b.html

as you can see the cops dont use any magical weight calcs its all here... and yes it is unladen weight

that took around 38 seconds to find from the VIC Roads site

guys i knew bout that website and i am aware of the laws.

what i wanted to know was what exactly is that magic number of the unladen weight? there are a huge number of sources from which to choose. unfortunatelynot all of these sources agree. the difference in the quoted figures may mean the difference between a car being seen to be illegal or not.

also who's to say that the figures that the govt use come from the same source as one we might use? and who can argue that their values are accurate? i mean look at rego stickers. i just rekon it'd be a hell of a lot easier if the police and vicroads were 1) in agreement bout the implementation and interpretation of the laws and 2) if the same limits, guidelines or figures they use were defined and availabe to the public.

imo it'd lead to better acceptance of the restrictions. cos right now, while i agree that there is a benefit in the law, it seems vicpol especially are keeping us in the dark as another avenue of revenue raising. i know thats prolly not the case but its the impression i get.

/2c

If you reckon they are wrong, take them to court.

You'll soon find out whos facts are better than the others.

As manufacturer spec is what the weight goes by, and that comes from Nissan. There is really no ambiguity there

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