Gtr Vs The V8 Supercars

[funkymonkey]

Well after watchin an interview with some race director dude, who was with the euro tourin cars and aussie cars as well as the americans and F1.. he says the JGTC cars are the fastest GT style cars on the planet.. and i dont think his wrong

more to a race than just being fast... cornering speeds of DTM cars are way higher than JGTC, although that could be due to the track layouts, japan tends to have lots of long straights with tight corners.

i remeber watching some old vids of the race when the gtr was in it and really it was so unfair they just made the v8 catrs seem very very dismal

Well Chrysler wanted to enter the 300C Touring Car into V8's but was refused. hehe, didn't stop them from becoming the pace cars though... good marketing ploy... "you won't allow us to race, fine, we'll lead."

[sh@un]

be good to skaife do a couple hot laps in the old 32gtr again see what sort of times he could get out of her..

I heard a while back that He's contractually forbidden to ever be seen in a Skyline on a race track again

But that could just be bumf

How could an R34 GT-R not chew up and spit out the current crop of V8 Stockcars Supercars if they were allowed to race and be as non-factory as the Falcodores are.

[crack]

I think the DTM cars will chew em up and spit them out. They all have different restrictions etc, so you can't truly compare em. Would be awesome if someone would come up with a global touring car championship... I guess like the Mixed Martial Arts Championships for GT cars

DTM > JGTC > BTCC > V8 Supercars > Nascar (yeehaw)

hell yeah. street fighter, automotive style.

[Whiplash]

What I want to see is JGTC/Super GT cars versus V8 Supercars!

Maybe Richard Lyons should bring down his GT500 Nismo Z

[benm]

1991 GTR vs 2007 V8SC, sorry but the GTR would get absolutely smashed.

However if the GTR's rules were relaxed just a tiny bit it would be an interesting race (even if it was 100% dry).

[giant]

i have every touring car video i could get my hands on of the gtr days and it really is great to watch them carve up.!!

[adam-__-]

It would be an interesting race. The GTR's haven't been racing for over 10 years. I think the V8's have enough time to catch up. Bring on the race!

[Sonic speed]

Isn't it because the GTRs are turbo and the super cars arent?

[giant]

and have a front diff!!

[Paradizzle]

1991 GTR vs 2007 V8SC, sorry but the GTR would get absolutely smashed.

However if the GTR's rules were relaxed just a tiny bit it would be an interesting race (even if it was 100% dry).

+1

[R31Nismoid]

1991 GTR vs 2007 V8SC, sorry but the GTR would get absolutely smashed.

However if the GTR's rules were relaxed just a tiny bit it would be an interesting race (even if it was 100% dry).

Would be interesting I think, i dont think it would be smashed at all.

Look at things like suspension, tyres, brakes, rim sizes and so on. Lots of gain for the V8's, also lots of gains then there for the GTR which had major braking problems which resulted in a lot more pad changes.

So given just one factor of braking improvements/materials i think there is a lot to be had there.

Considering whats under the shells of the SuperTaxi's basically having nothing to do with what the came out with unlike back in the 90's.

Its all 'control' gear in the V8 series now. Its nothing like what everyone was running which was far beyond different to todays 'parity' which is basically making a joke of the whole race just to make it "fair". Load of S it all is when you gotta 'cut' a under-side of a front bar for 'parity' between models.

I really only watch the V8's not to watch them bulldoze each other, and pray for rain most races so we see absolute carnage like the Brut's get into (V8 Utes).

Its really lost its appeal IMO.

[700HP-GTR33]

+1 with Ash.....it really sucks watching Bathurst.

I would prefer to watch Indy 500 even though they are just going around in a circle.

Anyway...here it is...take a gtr34..strip it down to nothing...spend (What is it they spend on these machines each?)

Ok..lol..$200,000 .

Ok..spend this on a 34..all forged gear..etc etc etc...800hp(usable) tuned for track work.

Remember though.....a lot of advancements came out for the gtr well into the late 90's.

Computers...suspension..bolt ons etc etc..have been improving since the end of the races the gtr32 had here.

I would guess you would be 250 Kilos lighter than the V8 Super-cars with a greater power to weight ratio..on a 4 wheel

drive train..outdated yes....but still able.

Why do these people persist in continuing this madness.

Super Charge a 3.5 litre ..slap it in a Ford or Holden...give it AWD and presto...safer cars..less young hoons killed on the road.

Enough said....

[Kaido_RR]

v8 supercars is borning!

super gt is were it at, currently watching the 06' season and love it!

why can't australia have a gt racing series which gets the coverage like the v8-supercars but has a wide field of cars.

would love to see a super-gt car v's v8 supercar.

Pit crew would have to learn the new setup in super-gt you can only do one thing at the time

so change rear tyres

then change driver, and fuel

once refueling is done and driver change is complete then you can change the from tyres. so their pit stops are around 30-40seconds on average.

and they run 2 drivers for all races

Edited October 8, 2007 by [Michael]

[sh@un]

Look at things like suspension, tyres, brakes, rim sizes and so on. Lots of gain for the V8's, also lots of gains then there for the GTR which had major braking problems which resulted in a lot more pad changes.

Homologated weight of V8 Group-A touring car in '92 : 1350kg

Of a '92 Group-A GT-R : 1500kg....20kg heavier than road spec.

No wonder it was harder on brakes!!!

[gun32gtr]

+1 with Ash.....it really sucks watching Bathurst.

I would prefer to watch Indy 500 even though they are just going around in a circle.

Anyway...here it is...take a gtr34..strip it down to nothing...spend (What is it they spend on these machines each?)

Ok..lol..$200,000 .

Ok..spend this on a 34..all forged gear..etc etc etc...800hp(usable) tuned for track work.

Remember though.....a lot of advancements came out for the gtr well into the late 90's.

Computers...suspension..bolt ons etc etc..have been improving since the end of the races the gtr32 had here.

I would guess you would be 250 Kilos lighter than the V8 Super-cars with a greater power to weight ratio..on a 4 wheel

drive train..outdated yes....but still able.

Why do these people persist in continuing this madness.

Super Charge a 3.5 litre ..slap it in a Ford or Holden...give it AWD and presto...safer cars..less young hoons killed on the road.

Enough said....

i also agree with ash.todays standard and quility of brakes is by far superior.

3.5;itre super charged ftw

[Ant97GTR]

There is no doubt in my mind that the GTR can still hold its own against these so called V8 supercars. Just have a look at some of the times some of the SAU cars are doing around Sandown....2-4-6secs off a current V8 supercar laptime. All that in cars with most of their interior and nowhere near the coin spent in development....also there would be huge gains in lap time to be made with the gearbox and tyres the V8's use as opposed to the SAU cars.

Hell my stocky GTR is only 14secs off the V8 lap record of Sandown!

[sh@un]

Don't mean to be rude, but 14 seconds seems like a huge margin over 3.1 kilometres.

[Ant97GTR]

[email protected] you aren't being rude as it is a fair margin but consider the differences between the cars....stock gtr vs 1/2mill+ race car.

It would be better to compare say kennedy's 33 or markovs 32 which are between 2-4 secs slower and have not had anywhere near that amount spent on them. Give those cars the v8 'supercars' gearbox and tyres and they will be faster.

[Haysey]

Its not like the V8 supercars are Fords or Holdens anyways, more like complete race cars with Falcon or Commodore shells over the top, and whatever happened to getting a mitsubushi to race? there was talk about that a few years back..

[ferni]

Exactly they are race cars with shells on them. Can't really compare. If other cars were allowed in, they would have to be same speed as the v8's it would get boring if 1 car was faster than the others all the time.

Production car racing is what you guys want - see Duncan in his GTR