The Skyline and HP...... debate and comment (PLEASE NO MUD SLINGING)

[N I B]

Greg from Flatout karts GTiR ran a 1.4 60 footer at the plex with an exhaust change only but got to 3rd gear and the box broke.

GTRs and EVOs seem to be the only 4wds with a half decent gear box. Every time i run my GTiR i have every thing crossed hoping the box won't die even tho its the close ratio rally box.

R33s are to big to be a strip monster but they are a quickish car thats easy to live with and don't sound like water cooled VWs.

[IMACUL8]

Exactly DCIEVE...... consistancy.... the R33 all with similar mods seem to be over over the shop with times.... I would love to see quicker times out of R33 (my favorite line), hense the reason of the thread....

Does anyone know that the stock turbo can flow on the r33 (eg what is its CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute of flow)......

Daniel

[IMACUL8]

hahahahah steve .....

GTiR are awesome cars, love these pulsars on steriods. Is the gearbox in them the limiting factor as well. Do they run the same sr20 motor as the s13/14/15. Dont they have a quad throttle body setup?

And Steve, some of prefer the lumpy sound of the water cooled VW's over the drony/hollow princes..... ;->

Daniel

[N I B]

The gearbox is very weak.I,m putting a modena box in it for next season.

The GTiR motor is an SR but has a lot better head and stronger con rods etc.My GTiR is a Dakar and ran 12.7 as a standard car with a good exhaust and a totally stuffed turbo that didn't last the first pass so it only went 20ks faster from 1/2 track to the end.

Jim richards Dakar ran 12.45.

[Denver]

Originally posted by rob77

got enough money together to replace the clutch and gearbox? ask denver (xrw) how many gearboxes he has chewed.

None actually..

I had the 3rd/4th gear cluster replaced to fix a crunchy syncro, and the current failure isn't the gearset at all..

a circlip that retains the centre diff has come askew and gone through the feed gears for the output shaft, taking the corner off two teeth on the output shaft gear, and ten or more corner off the feed gear..

the gearset itself has no missing teeth, just semi sad syncro's, oh and a loose nut on the end of the input shaft which was causing 5th to pop out all the time..

And that was over 2 years of giving it a hammering, and a fair slab of horse power through 4500rpm side step the clutch launches..

as for AWD taking the skill out, it doesn't, unless you know how to drive you won't get a quick time, be it drags or a motorkhana, you can be quicker than someone with 3 times the horsepower if they don't know how to peddle it to begin with..

[rev210]

I've spent $2k on my R33 and it runs good times. Any R33 gtst with the same modifications and general condition can run the same times or better (with bigger tyres).

[APA]

at the end of the day in all seriousness, i believe it comes down to who has a set plan and a thinking cap on!

adrian

[DCIEVE]

when launching the awd makes it heaps easier, dial in revs and dump or slip it. a big power, heavy, rwd skyline on the other hand i imagine would be an absolute pain in the arse to launch. i guess this isnt really driver skill, just launching ability but its makes a huge difference at the strip. i never mentioned motorkhana's, which of course come down to driver ability more than anything else.

[rob77]

my bad about the gearboxes, just rumours I had heard.

[docile]

Rob, I know bugger all, but the whole WRX gearbox thing is so overdone (not starting a shitfight but its the same thing with LS1's and oil....). Dont listen to rumours.....

2 or 3 very close mates have wrx's in the 12's (one with a 12.1 and should go better with a decent drive) and not one of them has had gearbox problems. One drives his very hard, the other two drive normally.

Dan is right in saying that mod for mod WRX will probably get better times (but you cant compare apples to oranges).

I'm not biased in any way either. Both are awesome cars when set up right

Cheers

Mat

[IMACUL8]

docile...

in reference to that 12.1 your not referring to a certin evo4 are you, AFAIK the best it has done is 12.5.

Daniel

[rob77]

The only thing making a wrx fast is the 4wd launch, I think a rolling start between a wrx and a r33 would be interesting, stock ones. I think if I had the choice between a wrx and a GTR I'd take the GTR, with the r32 being quite cheap now and I've seen 95-97 r33's from $40k.

[MrSnrub]

The guy who used to work at Fremantle Bob Janes (until it closed) had a WRX that ran 12.02..... and he was telling me he has been through 2 gearboxes in that thing.

They are still awesome cars. If you really want bang for buck you cant beat a 2 litre Silvia/180... Those things fly with FMIC, exhaust and boost control.... but lack the class of a line or WRX

[ix9]

Ben,

was that WRX white ? with goodies like FMIC, stickers down the doors and a GT wing ?

if so, he now works at rocko bob jane

[N I B]

My R31 is near standard( Exhaust S-AFC) and it beats mild WRXs

its tough for 1/2 of 1st gear then very easy from there.

[MrSnrub]

Originally posted by Strich9ine

Ben,

was that WRX white ? with goodies like FMIC, stickers down the doors and a GT wing ?

if so, he now works at rocko bob jane

Yeah thats him. His names Brad. Hes from down Albany i think. Has had bunnies splatted in that FMIC hehe

[zanda]

Originally posted by MrSnrub

but lack the class of a line or WRX

dont think Id agree with that. they're pretty cool cars, just not finished as well.

[IMACUL8]

Yes thats cool... PM away.

Daniel

[caminperth]

Dan - you started the thread by saying that everyone seems to go for HP figures and not much else and asking what else people think should be done..

By saying upgrade the turbo and the ecu you're pretty much following the crowd.. which I thought the point of this thread was to throw some new ideas in?

[IMACUL8]

Cam - i think the turbo is what MOST PEOPLE touch last. Out of all the R33 out there I bet less than 5% have modified/or complete aftermarket turbos. Most would be stock.

What I'm saying( and I may not be right, its just a opinion)... Is i would buy the Garret TURBO first (after full exhaust of course), and not waste my time on safc, ecbs, massive front mounts, etc. I would do zorst and turbo first then ecu. With those mods and putting a little boost and putting a cheap fuel regulator on (i think they can be had for < $150) you would be into the 12's easy (even on stock ecu) - if thats what you wanted, and some suspension parts and you also have a great handler as well as a straight line monster.

I think the biggest mistake is people are trying to overcomplicate things.

So my mod path would be...

1. full xzorts

2. garret turbo

3. fuel regulator (cheap way of leaning out fuel)

Daniel