Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Trozzle]

Your scissors aren't sharp enough Troy

LOL

No love from the Birdman today.

Also I replied to your earlier post in the thread rather than PM you, BRAH

[Birds]

Fair call, I forgot to respond.

In preparation for an 11 night pacific islands cruise I've got Tuesday week, I cleaned the shit out of my diet and have cut back a bit. Dropped a little over 2kg now sitting on 75.5kg. I've done a 140kg deadlift for 1 rep just to see if I still had it in me, and it was f**king easy days! Sure I could pump 2x bodyweight no worries, but no point just now. Otherwise I'm still gaining strength while dropping fat, which according to Markos doesn't make sense very slow gains though, very slow. Getting pretty cut, so happy at the moment. I'll provide a proper update with pics in my thread next weekend

Look forward to the pics nohomo. Don't get scared by people saying you lose strength when you cut. Personally, after dropping 10kg I'm a little stronger than I was before. The drop in strength is much more evident for bodybuilders lifting huge amounts of weight and cutting back to ridiculously low BF%, where they have a massive calorie deficit that can't support what they were lifting off-season. Your gains will certainly suffer though.

Worth it for the compliments from strippers

Don't forget to take your top off (nohomo), cut = your old tight shirts now fit you properly lol.

[Trozzle]

Fair call, I forgot to respond.

Look forward to the pics nohomo. Don't get scared by people saying you lose strength when you cut. Personally, after dropping 10kg I'm a little stronger than I was before. The drop in strength is much more evident for bodybuilders lifting huge amounts of weight and cutting back to ridiculously low BF%, where they have a massive calorie deficit that can't support what they were lifting off-season. Your gains will certainly suffer though.

Worth it for the compliments from strippers

Don't forget to take your top off (nohomo), cut = your old tight shirts now fit you properly lol.

Bullshit mate, you're insinuating ALL OF THE HOMO. Hahaha

[markos]

Can somebody please quote where I said you cant gain strength while losing weight.

Nina dropped from 60kg to 57kg for Worlds and got a 5kg PB squat with 120kg and a 2.5kg deadlift PB with 142.5kg

Yes, I know your doing well now that your nearly deadlifting as much as a girl lol

Just f**king with ya, but my lifters often drop weight and keep getting stronger

Remember, strength in the gym, size in the kitchen

[Trozzle]

Can somebody please quote where I said you cant gain strength while losing weight.

Nina dropped from 60kg to 57kg for Worlds and got a 5kg PB squat with 120kg and a 2.5kg deadlift PB with 142.5kg

Yes, I know your doing well now that your nearly deadlifting as much as a girl lol

Just f**king with ya, but my lifters often drop weight and keep getting stronger

Remember, strength in the gym, size in the kitchen

I know you've said something along the lines of not making gains with a calorie deficit or while dropping fat, though I'm nearly certain that was with regards to gaining muscle mass.

And NERRRRRRRRRRRRR I know Nina lifts as much as me I'm getting back on my feet from injury while only having just really got into REAL lifting haha

[Birds]

So my gym and its trainers, in all their certificate 3 wisdom, during carpet renovations, moved out one of the most popular pieces of equipment (4 station lat pulldown / seated row) and left behind a bunch of Nautilus circuit shit.

What do we recommend as a replacement for seated/compound rows? Thinking barbell rows...there's also a "free weight" seated row, though I'm not a huge fan of how it makes the weight easier to pull as you go through your range of motion.

[markos]

You cannot gain muscle tissue on a calorie deficit diet. Thats not my opinion, thats biology. Every pro BB that diets for the Olympia comes in smaller than pre diet, and they take a mountain of drugs trying to preserve muscle they gained while bulking.

Yet every curler in the gym burns fat and builds muscle while on the cable crossover lol

Muscle has little to do with strength, far more factors involved

[markos]

We dont have any pullies, we only do BB bent rows, DB bent rows, chins, shrugs, deadlifts and Good Mornings. Lots of BIG backs down here

[Trozzle]

So my gym and its trainers, in all their certificate 3 wisdom, during carpet renovations, moved out one of the most popular pieces of equipment (4 station lat pulldown / seated row) and left behind a bunch of Nautilus circuit shit.

What do we recommend as a replacement for seated/compound rows? Thinking barbell rows...there's also a "free weight" seated row, though I'm not a huge fan of how it makes the weight easier to pull as you go through your range of motion.

Barbell rows or Pendlay rows for sure man. I don't touch the seated row any more, and only ever do these in its place. 65kg 3 sets of 8 reps isn't terrible for me

Also something that might be of preference depending on the kind of handle your seated row uses - T-bar rows. Loading weight on one end of an olympic bar and using the handle to lift it between your legs.

[TTT]

Tolga, from memory you totaled around 510-520kg at Nats, but you were just over 90kg?

If so, are you going to play with Dan in the 82's, I thought he was going up

yeah 520 @ 91.4kg

After that, I got sick, lost 4 kg, then got better and started lifting, got injured, took time off, got somewhat better.

At PTC deadlift comp the other week I was 89.4kg.

Anyway, I've regretfully decided that I need to stop trying comps and get better.

Since there isn't anyone as weak as me in the 90's or 100's, and I could benefit from less gut, I've decided to spend the rest of this year doing some higher rep work for everything to try and get more volume in to everything.

along with this I'm making some changes to diet to lose some weight.

If Dan goes up to 90's then I'll just eat 3 quarter pounders on weigh in day..

Anyway, Nick from here and Birds will also be joining GPC and competing in the 82s.

They just don't know it yet.

Short version of my sob story...

I'm sore and tubby, so lower weight higher reps, less body weight and we'll see how it goes.

Tom - Can't really judge as I'm not doing the same reps/weight as before to try and heal up a little.

But going by previous experience, I would be weaker... especially in Bench.

[TM7GTR]

Interesting. I've dropped down from 90kg to 86, but my strength has gone up. Just started pressing 40kg Dumbbells, and now I'm going to switch back to bench pressing to see how that goes.

[Birds]

We dont have any pullies, we only do BB bent rows, DB bent rows, chins, shrugs, deadlifts and Good Mornings. Lots of BIG backs down here

What I liked about the seated rows was the work it did for my rear delts as well as lats...which of these you've mentioned would more closely mimic the exercise in terms of muscles worked? Bent rows? I'm already doing pull ups in place of lat pulldown. It's a nice change up.

[Mitcho_7]

I dont know why you would do lat pull down if you can do sets of body weight or more pull ups/chins?

If you want bent over rows to hit your rear delts slightly more, try rowing the bar higher up your torso. You will have to flare your elbows to row the bar higher up your chest. The more you flare your elbows on bent over rows will focus a bit more on your rear delts, the closer to the body they are the more the lats become invloved and the lower down the torso you will row the bar.

Edited October 16, 2012 by Mitcho_7

[Birds]

Because I like the strict motion that pulldown offers - can really squeeze the back muscles from start to finish. Love the core work when bracing against the pads. It's also more convenient (time wise) than doing weighted pull ups. I do pull ups every once in a while just to see how many I can do, but I'd rather be on pulldown TBH.

Agree re: bar position for rows. Might give them a go next sesh if they don't have my cable row back.

[10 4]

Did 3x8 40kg dumbbell chest presses today for first time.

Feels good brahs

[jangles]

Interesting. I've dropped down from 90kg to 86, but my strength has gone up. Just started pressing 40kg Dumbbells, and now I'm going to switch back to bench pressing to see how that goes.

That's a good indication

[NickR33]

there are many programs (usually associated with olympic weightlifting) that focus on incresed strength while maintaining a certain bodyweight

TTT: competing in the 82's would mean I have to watch what I eat... unfortunately I only like to watch it go into my mouth

I love back work... my favourite back exercises: deadlifts, powercleans, good mornings, pull ups, dumbbell rows (not a huge fan of barbell rows), T-bar rows (use the 10kg plates so you can pull it closer to your chest), face pulls and rear delt cable flys

[-FIGJAM-]

how much protein do you guys think you are eating with each meal?

i have been considering ordering some meals from MuscleMealsDirect because im to lazy to cook and clean.....

[Dani Boi]

Looks like a pretty good idea. Is it expensive?

I cook my meals in bulk for the week, only takes about an hour plus cleaning up

[-FIGJAM-]

from what i have been told it is 200g of meat, 200g of carb or veg + sauce per meal

24 meals to last 6 days so thats like 4 meals a day and I worked it out at about 600 calories per meal

first price i got was $150.00 per week for the 24 meals.

I know it would be cheaper to do it myself but as I said laziness and I cannot stand cooking, not even the tiniest of bits. Would go so far as to say i loath cooking....