Gym And Supplement Discussion

[-FIGJAM-]

I do and have spoken to my specialist regarding them, he isnt worried at this stage. Just said limit them and if I feel bad on them stop taking them basically.

[TM7GTR]

You'd wanna be careful man, playing with fire there

[-FIGJAM-]

i dont normally take a pre workout simply because I have never noticed a difference in the past when I have taken them.

only gave this one a try as the guy gave me a whole bunch of samples.

[bozodos]

sounds very bro with the marketing lol, and science to back up the product's claims?

[-FIGJAM-]

didnt read into the marketing. GAT does market a bit like that, but I have read good things about their products.

end of the day it was a sample, I gave it a go and first test was a good one. I have 3 or 4 more samples of it which I will try and report back on.

[rev210]

so these are the claims;

1)SUPER-INTENSIFIED ENERGY*

2)CLINICALLY PROVEN PRO-TESTOSTERONE*

3)REACTIVE HYPEREMIA (MUSCLE PUMPS)*

4)DMAE INFUSED, MIND-IN-THE-MUSCLE FOCUS*

5) ROAD MAP VASODILATION*

What it actually means

1) It's got some calories

2) Doesn't raise testosterone beyond normal or at all in the case of a healthy person (hence not illegal)

3) So what

4) placebo

5) Only applicable if you are lean. If you are a juiced up body builder you have what you need already.

yet another 'short cut' promise that tastes like apples.

[TM7GTR]

Like t-boosters. Most only raise your test by 42%. An increase of well over 200% is needed for any real muscular results

[Trozzle]

so these are the claims;

1)SUPER-INTENSIFIED ENERGY*

2)CLINICALLY PROVEN PRO-TESTOSTERONE*

3)REACTIVE HYPEREMIA (MUSCLE PUMPS)*

4)DMAE INFUSED, MIND-IN-THE-MUSCLE FOCUS*

5) ROAD MAP VASODILATION*

What it actually means

1) It's got some calories

2) Doesn't raise testosterone beyond normal or at all in the case of a healthy person (hence not illegal)

3) So what

4) placebo

5) Only applicable if you are lean. If you are a juiced up body builder you have what you need already.

yet another 'short cut' promise that tastes like apples.

In my experience with Bulk Nutrients' Cognitone PWO, DMAE is more or less the only thing in it that I notice a very distinct benefit from. It's just another analogue of DMAA I believe, and DMAA gave me a very noticeable increase in mental focus....so I guess I'm saying in my opinion, it's far from a placebo.

[Trozzle]

Like t-boosters. Most only raise your test by 42%. An increase of well over 200% is needed for any real muscular results

I disagree Tom, please stop spreading unfounded misinformation like this.

They raise it by 48%. Get it right.

[rev210]

acutally it's 150% ....

in your own mind.

[bozodos]

might as well cut to the chase and start pinning.

Speaking of which, do pro powerlifters use gear? Probably a Markos question, not judging, genuinely curious.

[Trozzle]

dollar for dollar, injecting test would be much cheaper when actual effects are concerned lol

[Mitcho_7]

I think it depends on the federation you compete under as to whether steroids etc are tested for or not in powerlifting. Most would be natty though

[TM7GTR]

dollar for dollar, injecting test would be much cheaper when actual effects are concerned lol

Step 1 - engage in dat dere sexy time 5 times in one day

Step 2 - go to doc, say you can't get it up, request blood test to analyse t-levels

Step 3 - t-levels come back lower than normal (yeah you knew this would happen; inb4 sabotage)

Step 4 - get prescribed test therapy and reap the reward of dem gainz for cheap

[bozodos]

interesting theory

[Birds]

might as well cut to the chase and start pinning.

Speaking of which, do pro powerlifters use gear? Probably a Markos question, not judging, genuinely curious.

In an untested federation? Probably. In any competitive environment where people devote their lifestyle towards a cause, you can be sure people will be doing everything they can to get the best out of themselves and get an edge on competition. People do it in tested environments like the Olympics; I don't see why they wouldn't in a situation where it is legal. I would if it was my sport.

[Nee-san]

If turning homo gave you a 10% boost in all lifts, I wonder how many people would take it up ?

There are few people in the politics thread who would probably apply LOL.

[markos]

Check out ASADA's list of banned athletes, many, many INBA bodybuilders, supposed to be a drug free Fed

[bozodos]

No doubt lol. Some people would say that even supplementing with Creatine is not truly 'natty'.

[SRS13]

Every 2nd guy (ok maybe 3rd guy) in my gym is on the gear. Most are happy to admit it too, although its pretty obvious on most. That's in an environment where not many care about what you lift.

I can assume in an competitive environment where testing is not as prevalent the use of the stuff would be frequent. You can get it from anyone nowadays and that makes it even more widespread.

Although its a shame and a sign of the times when whenever there is someone who looks well built or lifts big people assume steroid use...