Group A Thread

[Inline 6]

That was a really good watch!

.....eventhough the commentator called the GTR a 2.5L

yeah i was reading a mag that come out like a month ago(shoulda brought the thing dammit) that had an interview with jim richards and it started with 2.5L twin turbo maybe they were actually under the impression it was 2.5

he was also saying they were gonna put the gibson car in a couple of classic touring car races soon but didnt want to do to many to try and avoid damaging it and getting banned again. also there was a big spill about him saying they were his fav days of car racing id feel the same if i had to drive boring commos now aswell

[_8OO5TED_]

i dont think driving a 600hp V8 Supercar these days would be exactly boring, I think a massive powered group a GTR would be more of a challenge though.

[Inline 6]

the 600hp machines alright its just the ugly frame they put on top to pretend its a falcodore.

they need to change em to ferrari n lambo shapes me thinks although thats not gonna boost there sales

[djr81]

yeah i was reading a mag that come out like a month ago(shoulda brought the thing dammit) that had an interview with jim richards and it started with 2.5L twin turbo maybe they were actually under the impression it was 2.5

he was also saying they were gonna put the gibson car in a couple of classic touring car races soon but didnt want to do to many to try and avoid damaging it and getting banned again. also there was a big spill about him saying they were his fav days of car racing id feel the same if i had to drive boring commos now aswell

The magazine in question is still on sale....

[31GUN]

Something to keep in mind.

Skyline Nationals Shepparton Vic.

On the Saturday (27th) is the show and shine including 2x GrpA Gibson GT-R's and an HR31, and a GrpC Exa.

On the Sunday (28th) there will be assorted Skylines doing the rounds of Winton raceway'

Including some of the above, definitely the HR31.

If you haven't heard one of the real deal HR31's before, it's a must. (they Hoooowl! )

Hooks

[gtr777]

What are the Wheel sizes for the R32 Group A ?

For that matter the brake disc sizes ??

Thanks.

[31GUN]

17x10 I think.

Discs? Big!

Hooks

[floody]

JB still rates this as the best car he has ever driven, which is saying a lot looking at his cars over the past few years.

Hehe, just saw that comment...

JB also rates the DR30 as one of the worst race cars he ever drove. Says a lot for Seton and Fury's ability.

[31GUN]

I screwed up the dates for the Skyline Nationals.

Saturday is the 26th July, Sunday the 27th.

We apologise for this mistake and will attempt to make all future posts factual.

Thank you for your help in this matter.

Hooks

[Boof]

Hoping not a repost..

Glenn Seton struggling with the DR30 in the semi wet

George Fury qualifying the DR30 as well

Bit of sierra love as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrUTUTohecE...feature=related

Youtube has HEAPS of video's of group a days and the like, very good for when your bored at work on a sunday evening

Edited May 4, 2008 by Boof

[ajrichar]

I scanned the front and back cover of the Australian Motor Racing Year 1992/93 (Volume 22). The shot on the back is a good one of the Winfield girls, the banner and the car. Shows just how polished and professional the Winfield team were (not that any of us on these forums had any doubt).

Also a good opportunity to kick this thread going again. It is my favourite on the entire board.

[Z1LLA]

I have finally uploaded my pictures from the 2007 Phillip Island Classic event, there are a heap of the GIO GT-R in there, plus a few other Group A cars:

http://photobucket.com/piclassic2007

[Sinful]

There is new models of these cars being brought out by biante..1:18 scale they have been approved development and waiting to be produced...

ATCC Winner 1990 - Jim Richards

Sandown 500 Winner 1991 - Gibbs/Onslow

ATCC Winner 1992- Mark Skaife

[drftr13]

great thread

has any one seen the you tube vid of the brock VK in a group a

race in japan i think at fugi or suzuka

i cant find it again but saw it once

[Roy]

i dont think driving a 600hp V8 Supercar these days would be exactly boring, I think a massive powered group a GTR would be more of a challenge though.

Would be interesting to know. The GTR shoudl be better, simply because its AWD and the fact that it has better suspension design and it was designed as a sports car from the outset, then homologated to go racing. The Commodore obviously does not have that head start and so many parts/design aspects from the factory compromise them when they go racing. Though these days the shells are specifically built racing shells and lots of these short falls are addressed now that you no longer have to homologate the car.

Also, today's V8s often get some highly rated drivers jockeying them and they walk away sayign how difficult the cars are to drive, so much power, so little tyre and dynamically not that great a race car. Courtney is no doubt a great driver but it has taken him some time to learn how to drive them.

But i think the old banger 2L turbo cars would have been the hardest to get times out of over a race distance

[djr81]

I would disagree with that to an extent.

Basically whetever is remaining of the road cars in the V8 is there merely to make them look a little bit like what you can buy down the dealership. For instance the road car chassis not longer has any load bearing contribution - it is rivetted to the spaceframe rather than welded. Both the FG & the VE have different wheelbases & trackwidths than the road cars. The front quarter panels are fibreglass & not even close to the factory dimensions, rear door skins on the Commodores are now fibreglass too.

The suspension (paticularly the rear, live axle) was originally included because the VP & EB Falcons had live axles but mostly because they were cheap. Struts were used in the Commodores front ends, wishbones in the Falcons. Obviously now both front & rear V8 suspension packages bear no resemblance to anything leaving the factory.

My point is that is obviously difficult to drive the V8's well. You can see this by how many people struggle when they get into the series proper & by how many mistakes the development series drivers routinely make. I don't think that the difficulties are derived from the road cars - there isn't enough of them left to matter. I think it is a result of the regulations.

I would reckon any Group A car is by definition, more compromised by its factory origins than a V8.

[drftr13]

found commodor in japan link

[Jetwreck]

I have finally uploaded my pictures from the 2007 Phillip Island Classic event, there are a heap of the GIO GT-R in there, plus a few other Group A cars:

http://photobucket.com/piclassic2007

You took photo's and didn't stop to say hello!. Great shots... stole a couple for my collection if it's OK.

Edited June 13, 2008 by Jetwreck

[Duncan]

great find. race was won by a scot with an ausse co-driver in a british car on a japanese track, with an aussie in a commodore second. And to think Tony Cockhead thinks aussie motorsport is strong with the taxis. and the different strengths of the cars are great to see.

[nizmonut]

vk commodore also competed in le mans as well, came first in its class.