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Fastest street cars vs $$$ for mods/gains upto about 220rwkw. They are more responsive, lighter etc.

For a 220-260awkw, they are very fken fast (which is a GTR's 260-300rwkw). If you want more power in the even, simply change the turbo. Piece of piss and you are making nearly 500hp

There is no way a R34GTR is going to be faster with a tune/boost than a EVO. I've been in both, EVO is faster withoua a doubt.

10 years of technology has some advantages.

Really? A friend of mine had an HKS 3037 on his Evo IX with a shitload of boost and made just under 400hp, but i haven't seen many cars making much more than that unless it has a built/stroked motor. As for the engine note, i think they sound pretty badass, especially with a set of cams.

My brother has a IX with some nice parts on it (suspension and big brakes) It's awesome to drive and the responsive motor + sharp handling is phenomenal. We take both cars for a quick blast sometimes and, through the twisty stuff, the Evo is much better no question. The GT-R is able to keep up enough, though, and when there's a sweeper or open section, the GT-R can reel the Evo in quite easily. Both cars are tuned with light power mods.

Have to agree with Iron Chef and Eugene. The GT-R is far more satisfying to me. It's a special car to own and a privilege.

Edited by Huy
GTR for the win, the EVO to most people will always be a girly ass lancer with a body kit. While the GTR is a purpose built weapon and lets face it looks wise the Evo is a ugly duckling

Hah!

All cars are based on a base model built up.

You will never find a R34 GTR on a rally circuit as that is what the EVO's purpose built weapon is.

GTR = Tarmac

EVO = Rally

And Mitsubishi have developed an Active Yaw Control and adapted a S-AWC System with 3 choices of Tarmac / Gravel / Snow.

Both cars can be heavily tuned, just depends on what purpose you want it for.

Having driven an EVO VI TME I feel the GTR has better top end due to it being an inline 6 as opposed to an inline 4.

But then again we should be talking EVO VIII MR / EVO IX, which the engine will be tweaked slightly better with every next model up.

Inline 4 and Inline 6, both have their own characteristics.

seriously. if you cant live with a skyline of any sort as a daily, buy a blouse and fag about in a daewoo....

you could have sugar coated that for me a little...you're so harsh on me hamish :P

lol

yes im leaning over to the GTR and some very good points posted. again like i said only performance mods will be cooling and exhaust and thats it. mainly will be focused on handling mods. wont be doing too much track work but will see the occasional track days.

still undecided.

^ then EVO is the choice. Simple. And that is pretty much the theme through this thread :P

Matt ran some silly fast time @ Sandown, i'll find out what it was.

just exhaust, boost, tune and factory everything else.

^ then EVO is the choice. Simple. And that is pretty much the theme through this thread :P

Matt ran some silly fast time @ Sandown, i'll find out what it was.

just exhaust, boost, tune and factory everything else.

I'm pretty sure Matt ran a 1:24 (I may be wrong), but that did also include RE55 semis and Tein coilovers. Quick but definetly not 'silly fast'....

JFK ran a flat 1:22 in his R33GTR which had standard turbos (14psi), standard ecu, full exhaust cam gears usual mods to net 250rwkws. He had RE55's but STANDARD suspension.....

In regards to choosing either you should definetly take both for a test drive.

You should also factor in that most R34 GTR's are 10 years old now.

In saying that I can't stand the interior in the Evo's besides the seats. Not much change from a 15k base model Lancer.

Although after driving an EVO 9 for a couple of hours a few months back I did quite enjoy the response and how much go it had down low. Did fall over higher in the rev range but the close ratio box made it feel like I was going really fast due to ripping through the gears very quickly. The GTR has longer legs, and needs to stretch them when going through the gears.

Decisions, decisions, good luck with it all...

Once I buy the GTR I'll be using it as a daily, but my work is only 8 kms away. My evo with coilovers sits low and it's not the most comfortable car as a daily, but it's loads of fun. Time for a change though...

I'm pretty sure Matt ran a 1:24 (I may be wrong), but that did also include RE55 semis and Tein coilovers. Quick but definetly not 'silly fast'....

JFK ran a flat 1:22 in his R33GTR which had standard turbos (14psi), standard ecu, full exhaust cam gears usual mods to net 250rwkws. He had RE55's but STANDARD suspension.....

In regards to choosing either you should definetly take both for a test drive.

You should also factor in that most R34 GTR's are 10 years old now.

In saying that I can't stand the interior in the Evo's besides the seats. Not much change from a 15k base model Lancer.

Although after driving an EVO 9 for a couple of hours a few months back I did quite enjoy the response and how much go it had down low. Did fall over higher in the rev range but the close ratio box made it feel like I was going really fast due to ripping through the gears very quickly. The GTR has longer legs, and needs to stretch them when going through the gears.

Decisions, decisions, good luck with it all...

He kept telling me stock suspension i think? I can never remember :)

Plus you are comparing JFK to Matt. I don't think a lot of argument there over driver...

ill try remember to ask him the details :D

Mine is a daily, no dramas. No way in the world I would swap it for any evo.

I dont care if the evo handles better or has a zillion kws, put each car next to each other. Come on, the R34 GTR is at another level.

Just my opinion.

The WRX and Evos used to be comparable, I dont know if that is still the case. Ive owned a WRX with mods. I wont be going back to a WRX.

Only car I will buy after this one is an R35

Hey,

If the purpose is track, and you want to drive it to the track and thrash it (and hopefully turn some decent times) with only exhaust/breathing/cooling mods I'd go the Evo (don't mess with the suspension).

They have a good track record stock, lightly-modified, and heavily-modified. With an R34 GTR you will _have_ to mess with the suspension (another $2k).

I had a similar decision (daily/tracker) to make a few years ago and chose the 2.5 STi.

In stock form quicker than the comparable Evo; but the main reason was that my wife sat in the Evo and said "I'm not paying $80k for this".

The benefit of the GTR is that you can wind things up that bit more than the Evo.

That is also its downfall - in general, the more heavily-modified, the more time you will spend under the bonnet.

So if you can stick to less modification but get the times you want, you will in general spend more time on the road :geek:

Cheers,

Saliya

Edited by saliya
have driven an R34 GTR. taking an evo 9 for a test drive tomorrow. hope that will help me decide.

I'm sure you'll keep us informed :geek:

It all boils down to what your personal preferences are.

Thank goodness there is choice in this world !!! Imagine what things would be like if the cars were too similar !!!

And one more thing - I don't think that anyone from an EVO forum should have any complaints about the way we answer in a thread like this !!!

i'm in the same boat. Selling my 34gtt aswell and looking at an evo 8mr. I'm going evo for the simple fact. Family car. 4 doors and some boot space. Think about how far you are away with kids because two doors are a pain with baby's in the back, and a pram in the boot and that's all you'll fit. I'm going jdm evo 8mr instead of ausi delivered evo 9. Jap stuffs always better

you could have sugar coated that for me a little...you're so harsh on me hamish ;)

lol

yes im leaning over to the GTR and some very good points posted. again like i said only performance mods will be cooling and exhaust and thats it. mainly will be focused on handling mods. wont be doing too much track work but will see the occasional track days.

still undecided.

Buddy!

We can only give you our own experience on what we think.

At the end of the day it's up to you what you choose.

Go and test drive both cars and make the decision after that.

:bunny:

yeap will keep you all informed. but tbh im still being pulled towards the GTR lol. but ill decide after the drive.

nsm034 im very very very far away from kids, not even 25 yet lol. but yes that was also what i was thinking that having owned a 2 door car for just over 3 years now it does kinda become a pain. but then again im not buying a car to cart ppl around. still have time before i have to start thinking about family and all so plenty of time for me to play :bunny:

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