Is It Possible To Get A Caged R32gtst Under 1200kg?

[sav man]

if you want good brakes for small brakes, ex wrc or indycar brakes are the go.

[floody]

you can't look at a group a car for weight numbers. Fristly they had a pretty basic cage compard to todays standards, and things like most of the suspention being custom milled from alloy, and use of lightweight materails everywhere.

The GMS cars were pretty robust; they were the 1180kg cars. Bolt in caged NME/Jap cars at the 1115kg end. Very little custom milled alloy suspension in the R31s though they did run cast mag front uprights and heavily modified standard arms in the rear and tube front LCAs (can buy plenty of that stuff off the shelf for R32) . When you consider they were also running additional coolers and pumps for the diff, box, turbo, engine oils, full steel panels, an enormous fuel cooled ECU unit, onboard extinguisher, dry sump and pump, big turbo on an enormous steel manifold etc it doesn't seem that unrealistic to me.

And shaving 180kg isn't all that much (assume cage is 60kg), not compared to 265kg.

[BezerkR32]

yes it can be done, but not if keeping factory powerplant.

[Marlin]

I think it's doable without going crazy. Remember mine was weighed at Targa at 1275, with all our safety gear (suits helmets etc) and nearly full of fuel. We aren't trying too hard, the car still has everything under the dash, climate motors, heater box etc.

There's plenty of weight that could come out of it if I was to spend some more time doing it.

[sav man]

ahhhh, i read in other places you said it was 1280kg, and i assumed 1280kg curb.

i think keeping the fan and heaterbox is worth it for rallys, when your in the car for ages, and driving with the windows down can make the notes fly around.

[Marlin]

Thats why we haven't removed it, but a circuit car is different

Still has complete bumper reos etc, but yeah, I need them. Heck I'd fit a bullbar but it's outside the rules

[sav man]

or a spud plow off the back...boom boom

[Marlin]

The bullbar would be handy for pushing aside slow-arsed 33 GTR whales

boom boom

[NZM.031]

haha... r33 whales... good one... glavin!

ive stripped a shitload out of my r32 already... alot which wont be going back in... im up to 60 something kgs with more to weigh yet.

ive got the list at home but off the top of my head:

a/c compressor - 11kgs

a/c bracket - 3kgs

a/c condensor - 5kgs

heater box - 3kgs

a/c evaporator - 3kgs

fan blower - 3kgs

stripping wiring - 13kgs

front seats - 19kg each (replacing with 5kg each race buckets)

rear seat - 7kg

p/s pump bracket - 2kg

s14 p/s pump - 2kg over standard

s14 p/s rack - 3kg over standard

hicas lines, valves, rack - 15kg

rear wing - 10kg

thats over 100kg there.. and ive got alot more to go. thats all i can remember, ill make a list and put it in my build thread. plus most cars these days have an aftermarket exhaust which can weigh 20kgs less than the stocker.. add to that a lighter straight through exhaust and a dump and front pipe. the cast dump weighs a few kg, as does the cast exhaust manifold.

ive still got front guards, bonnet to weigh over gtr items, inner doors to trim, boot lid to replace, power windows to remove, sound deadening and carpet to weigh, more wiring to sift through, reos to trim, alot more weight saving ideas to think about.. plus getting what weight is left more centralised...

but im not looking to comply with race or rally rules, or rego if it comes to it, just a fun track day car.

so i think... if you are looking to comply with rules, and are looking to compete in a form of racing with some degree of comfort... then no, you will struggle to get it to sub 1300kg let alone 1200kg

if you are a retard like i am and think its fun to have a pointless waste of money that is unbearable to drive the 5 times a year you are able to drive it then yes, you may even get it down to 1100kg... as is what im aiming for.

[Roy]

Fark me you guys make things hard...just run more boost!

[Marlin]

Sub 1300? Explain mine then, 1275, with fuel and crew gear? Mine is completely streetable and (mostly) legal, has Brembos/power windows etc so it's not by any stretch a stripped cop. Mine's a 12/89 model, am I right thinking they're a little lighter to begin with than later ones?

[Marlin]

Fark me you guys make things hard...just run more boost!

Hahaha, see you at Superlap to back that one up..... CHAMP!

[sav man]

Fark me you guys make things hard...just run more boost!

not all of us can run dirty truck turbo's

Ben: the series 1 doors are 10kg lighter each, i just got some for my car.

Edited January 18, 2010 by sav man

[NZM.031]

Sub 1300? Explain mine then, 1275, with fuel and crew gear? Mine is completely streetable and (mostly) legal, has Brembos/power windows etc so it's not by any stretch a stripped cop. Mine's a 12/89 model, am I right thinking they're a little lighter to begin with than later ones?

hahaha i read that... and then didnt even realise what you'd said. my bad. i usually count the "crew" in... as some have 1 crew, some have 2 crew, and sometimes 1 crew can make up 2 crew, so if you have 2 x 1 crew that = 2 crew, that = 4 crew.

[Marlin]

hahahaha, crew gear, not crew So suits, shoes and helmets etc..... maybe 10kg all up?

Subtract fuel at 40kg for 60 litres and get say...... 1225kg?

[NZM.031]

i know you said crew gear....i mean crew... as in crew people that wear the crew gear. haha.

it has to be taken into account when talking about weights... as when your using the weight that is the car and crew gear... theres an extra blob sitting in the rhs that can add anywhere from 60kg to 120kg. sometimes theres 2 blobs.

so your car is 1225 dry... 1280 wet... how much with you and your navigator slinging around corners??

[BezerkR32]

this has got me keen to weigh my car, i have been meaning to do it since i finished it, i have removed everything mentioned and alot more, and am about 60kg lighter in the front end due to the donk, so im hoping 1100kg.

[NZM.031]

apparantly (meaning i actually have no idea) this bad boy does a 1:1.7 around tsukuba

weighs just over 1000kg, rb25 turbo on rb20, 310ps.

there is more info around page 140ish in the r32 photography section.

[sav man]

i saw that in a option mag. from the little bit of english it runs a 1:01.xx, and is a RB20 with a 25 turbo. But I couldn't read a weight.

From the pics it's been extensivly stripped and speed holed, and those bolt in jap cages are light as.

Edited January 20, 2010 by sav man

[Marlin]

i know you said crew gear....i mean crew... as in crew people that wear the crew gear. haha.

it has to be taken into account when talking about weights... as when your using the weight that is the car and crew gear... theres an extra blob sitting in the rhs that can add anywhere from 60kg to 120kg. sometimes theres 2 blobs.

so your car is 1225 dry... 1280 wet... how much with you and your navigator slinging around corners??

Ok cool. I thought we were talking about fixed weights of the actual cars, as crew weight of course always vary. I'm around 90kg and Tim needs to go on a diet to offset me, he's about 70kg I think?