Po Po's And Their Power Trips...

[RB25PWR]

I couldnt do my friends job. She is in the crash investigation unit.

I bet 99.9% of the cop bashers here couldnt do her job, couldnt see what she sees day in day out

the stories I she tells me is enough for me to think twice about driving and little distractions, not wearing seat belts etc.

the CIU don't see THAT much though. They don't see anymore than GDs or Highway... they turn up AFTER the crash

[gtr_scottie]

Hmmm it is a touchy subject indeed. I have only had good interactions with police bar one occasion. Sure i have been defected but they have been reasonable as i was extremely polite to them. But in saying that the people i have the gripe with as far as high way patrol are concerned is the extremely picky fines they issue if the chick was doing what she said in the story it is extremely harsh and or police officers using there speedos as a measure for speed to book someone and don't have a correct radar reading on the person in general for small speeding offenses like 5 km over ect there needs to be physical proof in my mind.

Defecting process are there for a reason to maintain road safety and environment protection but here is where it becomes tricky is the enforcement of these laws pod filter for example if it is on vehicle fitted with a air measuring sensor that all computer cars are fitted to and the filter is before the measuring sensor the difference in air flow is calculated and the fuel injected is modified to maintain the correct emission out put, and if the noise of the pod filter does not exceed the limit and is in closed in a box how is the filter ilegal going off a Australian design rules employee i spoke to some years ago they said if emission test was conducted and noise pollution test and it passed the pod was perfectly legal. Police are trained only to look for things that ilegal or that are thought to be ilegal without knowing the reason why or its function this instance i disagree with them being able to issue defects but they still should be able to issue a requirement for a car to be inspected if they feel the vehicle is a safety risk only. They need qualifed mechanics with rta inspection tickets and or qualified engineers to carry out the inspections and issue the defects and the inspection costs should be free if nothing is found. This will stop the incorrect issuing of defect notices in my opinion but they have to flexible in the time frame these inspections can be carried out.

As far as doing the polices jobs i couldn't be a general duties or hwy patrol officer as the respect they are given well from most people is none which is wrong respect should be given without question. I have found if a officer gives me attitude it is usually a way to show authority more than anything and they soon change there tone when they know the people they are dealing with are polite and respectful. The only drama i have had is when the EPA where involved they are people that i do not want to deal with ever again

thats my thoughts anyway

[DAS KAMU]

DAS KAMU - What is it that you do for a living?

how is that relevant

[DAS KAMU]

Hmmm it is a touchy subject indeed. I have only had good interactions with police bar one occasion. Sure i have been defected but they have been reasonable as i was extremely polite to them. But in saying that the people i have the gripe with as far as high way patrol are concerned is the extremely picky fines they issue if the chick was doing what she said in the story it is extremely harsh and or police officers using there speedos as a measure for speed to book someone and don't have a correct radar reading on the person in general for small speeding offenses like 5 km over ect there needs to be physical proof in my mind.

Defecting process are there for a reason to maintain road safety and environment protection but here is where it becomes tricky is the enforcement of these laws pod filter for example if it is on vehicle fitted with a air measuring sensor that all computer cars are fitted to and the filter is before the measuring sensor the difference in air flow is calculated and the fuel injected is modified to maintain the correct emission out put, and if the noise of the pod filter does not exceed the limit and is in closed in a box how is the filter ilegal going off a Australian design rules employee i spoke to some years ago they said if emission test was conducted and noise pollution test and it passed the pod was perfectly legal. Police are trained only to look for things that ilegal or that are thought to be ilegal without knowing the reason why or its function this instance i disagree with them being able to issue defects but they still should be able to issue a requirement for a car to be inspected if they feel the vehicle is a safety risk only. They need qualifed mechanics with rta inspection tickets and or qualified engineers to carry out the inspections and issue the defects and the inspection costs should be free if nothing is found. This will stop the incorrect issuing of defect notices in my opinion but they have to flexible in the time frame these inspections can be carried out.

As far as doing the polices jobs i couldn't be a general duties or hwy patrol officer as the respect they are given well from most people is none which is wrong respect should be given without question. I have found if a officer gives me attitude it is usually a way to show authority more than anything and they soon change there tone when they know the people they are dealing with are polite and respectful. The only drama i have had is when the EPA where involved they are people that i do not want to deal with ever again

thats my thoughts anyway

[rb26zed]

funny statistic but 9 out of 10 crashes on highways occurs on a straight section of road.

Funny statistic, but 9 out of 10 statistics are completely made up.

[rb26zed]

People saying sh!t like whiy pick on pod filters when their murders to deal with really shit me to tears.

YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW, by having a pod filter. ITS FARKEN SIMPLE. I got no problem with people having them, hell I've had them on most of my cars, but if i get defected for it, I'm not going to have a whinge on a forum knowing I BROKE THE LAW.

Anyway, I'm done.

I used pod filters as an example of something that is yes illegal which in some cases may be justified but in many not. It is however either way extremely trivial and in no way dangerous. Yet it seems to be treated at the same level as actual serious crimes like assault etc. Police have the power of DISCRETION, enforcing the law simply because it is the law is nothing short of ridiculous.

[DAS KAMU]

I used pod filters as an example of something that is yes illegal which in some cases may be justified but in many not. It is however either way extremely trivial and in no way dangerous. Yet it seems to be treated at the same level as actual serious crimes like assault etc. Police have the power of DISCRETION, enforcing the law simply because it is the law is nothing short of ridiculous.

good work

[gtr_scottie]

According to the EPA all filters that do not have a adr number stamped on it from factory are illegal full stop they dont care, so a ryco panel filter is ilegal in the epa's minds even tho no one in there right mind will defect you for it

[evil_weevil]

the CIU don't see THAT much though. They don't see anymore than GDs or Highway... they turn up AFTER the crash

They see a lot more than most people - and it's sickening what they see - and how easily it could have been avoided.

sure they may not be the first on the scene, but if people are bagging hwy patrol - you just said highway are there first - I still wouldnt be able to do their job seeing what they - thats the point of my post - they do a tough job.

[Fantm1]

According to the EPA all filters that do not have a adr number stamped on it from factory are illegal full stop they dont care, so a ryco panel filter is ilegal in the epa's minds even tho no one in there right mind will defect you for it

And even though some cops will issue issue defect notices for it, pod filters are legal in Sth Aus so long as they are secured by brackets, although I don't know if you can drill mounting holes anywhere because you might weaken the car. Anyhow, if you get defected, you can't drive to work or anywhere until it's removed, you have to waste time getting the defect off whenever you can book it in for, and have to pay app $150.00 inspection fee for your trouble. Good system, load up the inspection station for things that are a waste of everyones time and could most likely be sorted at the local police station. A bit more education for the issuing officers could save a lot of people a lot of wasted time and money. And when I rang Regency Park inspection station they told me FMIC's were ok as well, yet guys here get defected for them. The rule on front mounts is thet they are ok so long as you dont modify the panel you mount to. So is it just rules for the sake of rules/control, so somebody can say "Look what a good job we're doing making all these rules which make our roads safer."

A friend of ours got done for taking her seat belt off as she drove into her driveway. She claims she was actually in her property before she unclipped it. Never the less it is a bit trivial, but expensive. Once again no warning just a fine and a few points.

I am seriously considering getting my GTR engineered when it comes out of compliance. But even that probably won't stop an enthusiastic officer. He/she could argue that the wheels on the car may not be those mentioned in the report. Or I could carry extracts from the rule book covering the mods to my car, but they could say they may not be authentic, you'd better go for an inspection just to make sure. The big thing is with defects is if you have a car that fits in, doesn't attract attention for any reason and you're not a P plater or young you'll probably never get pulled over.

[oweban]

The big thing is with defects is if you have a car that fits in, doesn't attract attention for any reason and you're not a P plater or young you'll probably never get pulled over.

Best car for this is a Toyota Aristo Looks like a camry, goes like stink.

http://www.j-specimports.com.au/wiki/Toyot...0_Series/id-340

[DAS KAMU]

And even though some cops will issue issue defect notices for it, pod filters are legal in Sth Aus so long as they are secured by brackets, although I don't know if you can drill mounting holes anywhere because you might weaken the car. Anyhow, if you get defected, you can't drive to work or anywhere until it's removed, you have to waste time getting the defect off whenever you can book it in for, and have to pay app $150.00 inspection fee for your trouble. Good system, load up the inspection station for things that are a waste of everyones time and could most likely be sorted at the local police station. A bit more education for the issuing officers could save a lot of people a lot of wasted time and money. And when I rang Regency Park inspection station they told me FMIC's were ok as well, yet guys here get defected for them. The rule on front mounts is thet they are ok so long as you dont modify the panel you mount to. So is it just rules for the sake of rules/control, so somebody can say "Look what a good job we're doing making all these rules which make our roads safer."

A friend of ours got done for taking her seat belt off as she drove into her driveway. She claims she was actually in her property before she unclipped it. Never the less it is a bit trivial, but expensive. Once again no warning just a fine and a few points.

I am seriously considering getting my GTR engineered when it comes out of compliance. But even that probably won't stop an enthusiastic officer. He/she could argue that the wheels on the car may not be those mentioned in the report. Or I could carry extracts from the rule book covering the mods to my car, but they could say they may not be authentic, you'd better go for an inspection just to make sure. The big thing is with defects is if you have a car that fits in, doesn't attract attention for any reason and you're not a P plater or young you'll probably never get pulled over.

amen

[Soulblighter]

Police have the power of DISCRETION, enforcing the law simply because it is the law is nothing short of ridiculous.

Speaking of an officers discreation - I'd like to share my thoughts about NSW HWP (this is only HWP and not NSW Police). About 6.5 - 7 months ago my wife gave birth to our first child, and a week after we got out of the hospital we where pulled over on a Sunday night (around 5:30PM) on our way to an evening church service (church is about 5 mins from home).

I was 1 day out of rego and had totally forgotten that it was due because of the pregnancy and all. Yes - i did get the notice from the RTA weeks before it was due. The day i recieved it i filed it away thinking that i will remember to renew when the time came. Yes - My fault for not remembering, totally agree.

So we where pulled over on the Sunday night, was told that because i was out of rego i could not drive the car, i had to call a family member to come pick us up, take our new born out and install the baby capsule in the other car, leave the car where it is and go home.

I asked if i can at least drive the car 2 mins to my place or be escorted home instead of going through all that - she said no incase i am involved in an accident blah blah. Ive been driving for 12 years and not been involved in an accident. And what kind of reckless driving will do with a new born in the car to be involved in an accident?

Now I understand that driving a car that is out of rego is against the law and i have every respect for people who uphold the law - but i was 1 day out and it was a Sunday night. Couldnt she have given me a warning or something and used a bit of discretion in this matter? This was our first kid and i was wrecked with stress and exhausted from sleepless nights at the hospital. All i wanted to do was get to church and be around poeple for strength, support (yes church talk ) and get out the stress. Last thing i need was a ticket.

Anyway, i admit it was entirely my fault but c'mon 1 day out and on a Sunday and she couldnt show some leniency? Good work NSW HWP - you are definately upholding your motto "Culpam Poena Premit Comes". I hope that $600 i paid in fines brings a whole bunch of you;

•Type 2 diabetes

•High blood pressure

•Stroke

•Heart attack

•Heart failure

•Cancer

•Gallstones and gall bladder disease

•Gout and gouty arthritis

•Osteoarthritis of the knees, hips, and the lower back

•Sleep apnea

•Pickwickian syndrome

from all the donuts it got you. I know its harsh but F8CK do i hate HWP. No good waste of space. Hold your breaths and do the world world a favour.

[Prue]

Speaking of an officers discreation - I'd like to share my thoughts about NSW HWP (this is only HWP and not NSW Police). About 6.5 - 7 months ago my wife gave birth to our first child, and a week after we got out of the hospital we where pulled over on a Sunday night (around 5:30PM) on our way to an evening church service (church is about 5 mins from home).

I was 1 day out of rego and had totally forgotten that it was due because of the pregnancy and all. Yes - i did get the notice from the RTA weeks before it was due. The day i recieved it i filed it away thinking that i will remember to renew when the time came. Yes - My fault for not remembering, totally agree.

So we where pulled over on the Sunday night, was told that because i was out of rego i could not drive the car, i had to call a family member to come pick us up, take our new born out and install the baby capsule in the other car, leave the car where it is and go home.

I asked if i can at least drive the car 2 mins to my place or be escorted home instead of going through all that - she said no incase i am involved in an accident blah blah. Ive been driving for 12 years and not been involved in an accident. And what kind of reckless driving will do with a new born in the car to be involved in an accident?

Now I understand that driving a car that is out of rego is against the law and i have every respect for people who uphold the law - but i was 1 day out and it was a Sunday night. Couldnt she have given me a warning or something and used a bit of discretion in this matter? This was our first kid and i was wrecked with stress and exhausted from sleepless nights at the hospital. All i wanted to do was get to church and be around poeple for strength, support (yes church talk ) and get out the stress. Last thing i need was a ticket.

Anyway, i admit it was entirely my fault but c'mon 1 day out and on a Sunday and she couldnt show some leniency? Good work NSW HWP - you are definately upholding your motto "Culpam Poena Premit Comes". I hope that $600 i paid in fines brings a whole bunch of you;

•Type 2 diabetes

•High blood pressure

•Stroke

•Heart attack

•Heart failure

•Cancer

•Gallstones and gall bladder disease

•Gout and gouty arthritis

•Osteoarthritis of the knees, hips, and the lower back

•Sleep apnea

•Pickwickian syndrome

from all the donuts it got you. I know its harsh but F8CK do i hate HWP. No good waste of space. Hold your breaths and do the world world a favour.

So basically what you're saying is you were in the wrong but they shouldn't have done their job?

[evil_weevil]

1 week, 1 hour, 1 day - its out of rego its out of rego.

its not legally allowed on the road - how is that the cops fault? they gave you a fine for doing the wrong thing regardless of reason.

the cop did their job.

anything can happen - if you even had a not at fault accident - you had no CTP cover. you would not only be out of pocket financially from not having any CTP cover to help pay for any injuries received - if you had full comp cover, that insurer can deny you any claim also.

dont want to sound harsh - but thats not the hwy patrol's fault!!!

[jawrgy]

You guys all suck. He is pointing out that highway patrol have discretion to enforce the laws. If they think you are doing something wrong they will use their 'discretion' to pull you over and fine you. But if its the other way around they dont use their 'discretion' to help a citizen out. The point our new father is trying to make is that they only use their discretion to fine people but not evaluate the situation if the person is in need of help. What happens if you had no family to come pick you up? are going to send a new mother and new born walking down the highway because their rego is out???? I highly doubt the patrol car would give them a ride.

High way patrol should have evaluated the situation, checked their address and either A let them ride home B give them a ride. Yes cops are not taxi drivers but it comes back to the point the Highway patrol dont use their discretion to help people but only to fine people.

[Prue]

You guys all suck. He is pointing out that highway patrol have discretion to enforce the laws. If they think you are doing something wrong they will use their 'discretion' to pull you over and fine you. But if its the other way around they dont use their 'discretion' to help a citizen out. The point our new father is trying to make is that they only use their discretion to fine people but not evaluate the situation if the person is in need of help. What happens if you had no family to come pick you up? are going to send a new mother and new born walking down the highway because their rego is out???? I highly doubt the patrol car would give them a ride.

High way patrol should have evaluated the situation, checked their address and either A let them ride home B give them a ride. Yes cops are not taxi drivers but it comes back to the point the Highway patrol dont use their discretion to help people but only to fine people.

What "our new father" shouldn't have done was driven an unregistered vehicle.

[DAS KAMU]

You guys all suck. He is pointing out that highway patrol have discretion to enforce the laws. If they think you are doing something wrong they will use their 'discretion' to pull you over and fine you. But if its the other way around they dont use their 'discretion' to help a citizen out. The point our new father is trying to make is that they only use their discretion to fine people but not evaluate the situation if the person is in need of help. What happens if you had no family to come pick you up? are going to send a new mother and new born walking down the highway because their rego is out???? I highly doubt the patrol car would give them a ride.

High way patrol should have evaluated the situation, checked their address and either A let them ride home B give them a ride. Yes cops are not taxi drivers but it comes back to the point the Highway patrol dont use their discretion to help people but only to fine people.

yep that fine book is already in hand before they get out

[jawrgy]

What "our new father" shouldn't have done was driven an unregistered vehicle.

.................. how thick are u. Sure he may be lying about going to church and the drive was only 5 minutes but when you see a new born and a mother just out of hospital maybe you can cut them some slack.....

Rego can be done from a home computer, i believe he just legitimately forgot about the rego but like you the highway patrol was to thick and could not see that.

[Prue]

.................. how thick are u. Sure he may be lying about going to church and the drive was only 5 minutes but when you see a new born and a mother just out of hospital maybe you can cut them some slack.....

Rego can be done from a home computer, i believe he just legitimately forgot about the rego but like you the highway patrol was to thick and could not see that.

Orrrrrr maybe they wanted to actually do their jobs. Anyone can say they genuinely forgot that rego was due... if they believed every sob story then no one would bother with rego or anything else.