Beware - R34 Gtr For Sale In Sydney

[GTR-N1]

PM'd you David.

[J_R32]

http://exportcar.jp/en/component/auctstat/?view=auctstatdetail&id=sxMOTn16PalCR9

I have a feeling this Mspec will more then likely be on its way here.. With a haircut no doubt!

[r32-25t]

Holy shit over 200,000 kms

[SiR_RB]

Very rare colour

Obviously will land here with well under 100k kms so sad

[Aegats]

How much will it go for roughly?

Edited May 13, 2014 by Aegats

[Miguelone]

Had a chuckle when this showed up in my search results

[niZmO_Man]

Hahaha nice!

[TS-R34]

*wrong thread

Edited July 10, 2014 by TS-R34

[stevejohnson_r32gtr]

Hey guys another one to avoid. While this car is not advertised on the dealer's website, I can assure you it is currently for sale at Elite Motorsports/ Sports auto group, being advertised with 38 xxxKM. It is a 2002 BNR34 M Spec Nur in pearl white.

What is most unusual about this car is that the seats have been retrimmed ( strange for a 30 xxx km car) in black without the GTR logo on the headrest .

A car that looks identical was sold by FC autosource, here is the link:

http://www.fcautosource.com/ListingDetail.aspx?fcauto_id=19560

Here is a screen shot:

Here is a pic of the seats

Here is the vin number taken from the car at the dealership in Sydney:

BNR34- 404019

I have aquired the Japanese registration certificate for the corresponding car in Japanese and English:

BNR34-404019 (2).pdf

Please note:

- The Name of owner is listed as FC autosource

-The last two records of registration are only 9 days and nearly 3000KM apart. Seems strange?

-These recordings were 1) 30 900KM and 2) 33 700KM.

[1motoractive]

Yet another example of a clocked GTR. It would be interesting to know just what % of R34 GTR's in Oz have genuine km's with solid supporting documentation. I suspect well under 25%. I'm currently advertising my Nur, with fully documented km's, japanese and Aussie service records etc etc, yet it gets compared with cars like the above with lower km's showing on the speedo and dodgy docs. Crazy. The people I feel most sorry for are the guys that don't do all the research and end up buying a 150,000km car without knowing. And Fair Trading NSW don't want to know. Great...

[dodgyimports]

Here is the vin number taken from the car at the dealership in Sydney:

BNR34- 404019

I have aquired the Japanese registration certificate for the corresponding car in Japanese and English:

BNR34-404019 (2).pdf

Please note:

- The Name of owner is listed as FC autosource

-The last two records of registration are only 9 days and nearly 3000KM apart. Seems strange?

-These recordings were 1) 30 900KM and 2) 33 700KM.

Nice work Steve - what you've stumbled on is an advanced technique called a "refresh".

The services of certain mileage verification services in getting hold of de-registration certificates have caused significant issues for import dealerships. The dealer you mentioned in particular has been using this technique to hide it's tracks. Unfortunately many consumers don't understand how a de-registration certificate is supposed to work, and therefore miss the point you've illustrated in regard to the 9-day gap between registrations. They look at the last mileage recorded and figure all must be hunky-dory.

Here is the auction sheet for the car:

So the complete timeline looks like this:

1) [27/2/2014] Car sells at USS Tokyo - 173,414km

--- rewind occurs ---

2) [31/3/2014] Car is re-registered with 30,900km

3) [08/4/2014] Car is re-registered with 33,700km

Since the department of transport in Japan only record the previous two mileage readings, this scrubs the true mileage from the system. Inside Japan this would be a risky exercise as for a short window of time there is conclusive proof that an illegal odometer rewind occured. Unfortunately the car leaves the country a matter of days later, so it's unlikely anyone notices or that anything can be done.

Edited July 12, 2014 by dodgyimports

[Aegats]

^ Damnnn...

[djvoodoo]

That is just insane!!!! What an eye opener.

[r32-25t]

Wow that's insane, so even doing most of the checks you can't be 100% anymore

[dodgyimports]

Wow that's insane, so even doing most of the checks you can't be 100% anymore

Auction sheet + (de-registration OR export certificate) = you get the full story.

Edited July 12, 2014 by dodgyimports

[NXTIME]

Nice work Steve - what you've stumbled on is an advanced technique called a "refresh".

The services of certain mileage verification services in getting hold of de-registration certificates have caused significant issues for import dealerships. The dealer you mentioned in particular has been using this technique to hide it's tracks. Unfortunately many consumers don't understand how a de-registration certificate is supposed to work, and therefore miss the point you've illustrated in regard to the 9-day gap between registrations. They look at the last mileage recorded and figure all must be hunky-dory.

Here is the auction sheet for the car:

So the complete timeline looks like this:

1) [27/2/2014] Car sells at USS Tokyo - 173,414km

--- rewind occurs ---

2) [31/3/2014] Car is re-registered with 30,900km

3) [08/4/2014] Car is re-registered with 33,700km

Since the department of transport in Japan only record the previous two mileage readings, this scrubs the true mileage from the system. Inside Japan this would be a risky exercise as for a short window of time there is conclusive proof that an illegal odometer rewind occured. Unfortunately the car leaves the country a matter of days later, so it's unlikely anyone notices or that anything can be done.

^^^ this has been going on for a while in Japan by the dodgy people who operate there in the export industry.

[dodgyimports]

^^^ this has been going on for a while in Japan by the dodgy people who operate there in the export industry.

Certainly, the local dealerships would like you to believe that it's the "dodgy exporters" when they point the finger of blame.

Look again at the above example, it wasn't the exporter who has advertised the car in question with super-low mileage.

Nevermind the fact that at the time the dealers get the cars complied, these examples are almost always inside the 3-month window whereby almost anyone can look up the auction records. As if the dealership, having operated in the industry for years wouldn't know where to look.

[Miguelone]

How likely is it as well for the dealer themselves to have facilitated the purchase at auction and then slipped their exporter some extra cash to make it happen?

If this was happening, they didn't know then were enlightened of the fact you'd think they would switch to a different exporter with a good reputation and it wouldn't happen anymore. Instead the same stuff has been going on for years and years with some of these mobs.

[dodgyimports]

How likely is it as well for the dealer themselves to have facilitated the purchase at auction and then slipped their exporter some extra cash to make it happen?

How likely? Is the Pope Catholic?

[J_R32]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnf_EHpV5X0

guess who's back!

i couldnt get the VIN for this one from the video, keen to find the auction sheet for this one..