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I think many would agree that a lot of girls have a skewed self image, usually rating themselves a solid 2 points lower than a group of 10 guys would so to speak.

The last pic you showed revealed you do not have a lot of BF (didn't look likt it anyway) and abs seem to be a lot harder for a girl to get despite having a good BF % and doing core work, where as for guys you can be fairly round in the guy and still have good ab definition, it's just the way we're built.

Abs on a girl aren't that flash anyway imo, a slender lean trim mid section is great though and I'm sure you're fine in that catagory, if there's been any size increase it'll be muscle,

I doubt many if any of your friends your size are as strong.

Birds is not going to agree with me, but if you liked the way you looked when you worked out a certain way.

Then that's what you should be doing.

Your goals are the most important reason for you to be training, nobody else's goals or thoughts matter.

Not saying ditch gym, just saying that if you know how to achieve the look you want, why would you do anything other than that, unless the look is only one of many goals, then it gets complicated.

Well you guys can discuss that further. For me, I know my body and I know what works for me to make it look a certain way.

I may not know how to make it stronger or break plateaus properly and on those topics I take advice and try things, but I do have tried and tested methods to change the look.

I'm curious, if your main goal is looks (and there's nothing wrong with that, most of us are in it for the vanity) why did you change your routine if you already had the look you wanted?

because Birds said this program would make me look better

I didn't have the look I wanted, I came in here asking for advice to lose 3-4% body fat as I wasnt happy with my ab definition

that's how I got onto this program

Edited by L33SH

Fair enough.

I always thought that as long as you were doing enough exercise, your bf was more about diet and your genetics, that is, some people are going to find it easier to drop a certain amount of BF than others.

If you were closer to your look before hand, I'd just be basing my revisions on that, that is, doing the exercise I was doing and adjusting my diet accordingly or adding more exercise to burn more calories, whichever worked best for me.

Discuss with your trainer.adviser though, not my call to make, but seems pretty logical to me.

No need, I'm not about to agree or disagree with anything, there's no harm in trying new things. I'm just suggesting that if I was a year down the track on trying something and was getting further away from where I wanted to be I'd be looking more favorably at what I was doing before that was working for me or at least had me closer to the goal.

Edited by ActionDan

your picture at the start of the thread looks like you have girl abs?

how much stomach definition are you looking at getting?

Yes Dan you are correct, women are different to men, women generally have a higher BF% then males.

Maybe try to increase the tempo or decrease the rest periods of your workout so you sweet a bit more? I know bodybuilders have long rest periods during their off season, but leading into comp time they decrease rest between sets.

Food for thought.

Speaking of food, have you had a close look at your diet? has it changed over the last 12 months? My cousin for example has no tolerance to carb. If he even smells pasta and rice he gains a kg.

f**k that, add tempo, eat cheese.

Win.

Cheese was a big reason as to why I wasn't dropping any bf%

My carbs are now coming from quinoa, wild rice, brown rice, buckwheat and spelt and I feel way better for it. Don't miss pasta as much as I thought I would!

As I said, don't overlook the genetic make up differences between genders. I'd definitely have more bf than you, eat more or less what i like, and do no ab work anymore and still have some abs.

Abs is not the only measure of a good body for a woman, you're in shape, and looking good by most peoples judgement, don't be too hard on yourself.

As I said, don't overlook the genetic make up differences between genders. I'd definitely have more bf than you, eat more or less what i like, and do no ab work anymore and still have some abs.

Abs is not the only measure of a good body for a woman, you're in shape, and looking good by most peoples judgement, don't be too hard on yourself.

Yes I understand that but I see so many pictures of the abs on women that I want, I know it's achievable and it's want I want.

you see those pictures of those women, but you never really know what they taking or doing.

simplyshredded.com interviewed Zyzz there was no mention of steroids in his entire article. Even when it came to the supplement area.

Also Christian Boeving appeared in the docco Bigger, Stronger, Faster and admitted to using steroids, he was fired by his supplement sponsors for what he said during his interview.

Finally the power of Photoshop should not be forgotten. There have been a number of before and after shots done in the space of an hour, where someone (male and female) has gone from an average looking body, to abbs, pecks etc all through some subtle changes.

Not saying its impossible, but its difficult. Chin up, do more and you'll get there eventually. As Ronnie Coleman said "Just got to get a little bit bigger" or smaller in your case, or bigger abs, however you want to look at it to achieve your goal.

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