M4 Toll

[luke gtr]

Elevated roads would be hideous.

I think tunneling could be a better alternative?

[niZmO_Man]

Sydney is sitting on top of sandstone, so yeah, possible.

Have you seen the M5 tunnel though? lol

[Wordsmith]

Elevated roads would be hideous.

I think tunneling could be a better alternative?

Tunnelling would be the other way. Whether it's above or below, either way we need to start using all three dimensions pretty soon. Or massively improve public transport.

Personally I think tunnels everywhere would be hideous because you'd spend all your time driving under artificial lighting in the dark. I like being able to see the sky, being stuck in traffic in the M5 East is boring enough to nearly put me to sleep. At least with elevated roads only the arterial highways and main roads would be thrown into shadows, and most people would be using the elevated one anyway since it's for transit. Like, you'd have Hume Highway down below for people who need to go to businesses or whatever there, and you'd have the elevated Hume Highway for people who're just passing through the neighbourhood to get somewhere else.

Edited March 25, 2016 by Wordsmith

[fatz]

Mm toll sounds like fun

[niZmO_Man]

Fix roads plz

[GoldZilla]

Used the M4 to get to the airport today, seems like my usual route of jumping on from Silverwater Rd will still hit me with a toll charge.

Massive changes going on though, it's been a long time since I've been through there.

[niZmO_Man]

If you're going to release tens of thousands of homes, you need the infrastructure to allow people to move about.

Or... Nuke the place and start fresh.

[r32-25t]

If you're going to release tens of thousands of homes, you need the infrastructure to allow people to move about.

Or... Nuke the place and start fresh.

this is what really needs to happen or give businesses incentives to move west. There are places like parramatta and maquarie park but everyone seems to be staying in the cbd at the moment

[niZmO_Man]

Even if you move businesses out of the CBD (which needs to happen), need infrastructure to get people there.

[mr skidz]

Motorbike,up the guts,cover plate,done.

Edited March 29, 2016 by mr skidz

[mr skidz]

If you're going to release tens of thousands of homes, you need the infrastructure to allow people to move about.

Or... Nuke the place and start fresh.

Dont give those silly dream boats idea's.

[niZmO_Man]

Nuke the place.

Start with laying fresh copper wires. None of this fibre light jibber jabber.

Build 1-lane motorways and put up tolls.

Profit.

[Yo-Yo]

Nuke the place.

Start with laying fresh copper wires. None of this fibre light jibber jabber.

Build 1-lane motorways and put up tolls.

Profit.

You should work for the government mate, they need ideas men like you

[RB25PWR]

Anyone going to bypass Church St to Homebush M4?

Is $4 (one way) fair?

Is the increase on the M5-East justified?

Do you think there'll be a traffic jam at Church St offramp in the mornings? And will it be only temporary?

If there's a traffic jam at Church St, will the offramp at Cumberland Hwy get congested?

Might the M4/M5 Toll cause you to switch to public transport?

People already get off at Church Street because after Church Street is where the worst congestion is already. Depends where you're going, though. Parramatta road will become more clogged if that's even possible.

The M4 is always riddle with accidents at the Homebush bay drive off ramp and the M4 stinks in general. Now we're going to have to pay for the pleasure of driving on it? For just 1 more lane? To me it's a lose lose.

I work and tend to travel outside of peak hour times so this does not benefit me at all.

[GTR-N1]

I hear ya.

[fatz]

Start catching the train tez

[tweety bird]

I just hate that it costs me $15 each time I need to drive through Sydney to get home.

I don't want to be there so why make me pay for it?

[r32-25t]

Then use different road and enjoy the extra 2 hours it takes to not pay the $15

[The Bogan]

M5 original plans had 6 lanes, once contract was signed company cried poor and weak gov said OK to 4 lanes.

The only civil works in NSW with a eye to the future was the harbour bridge, from then on its been a joke.

I would vote for that car driver party but sadly they also support the gun happy people party who like killing furry animals with big guns so my kids are safe from kangaroos, rabbits and deer when we go camping.

Also need to fix freight rail to get trucks off the motorways, the trucks coming out from port botany are a joke, they have enlarged the port but not the infrastructure that supports it.

Bring on the Intermodal.

[r32-25t]

The intermodal is already built, has been for 3 years but has sat pretty much empty the entire time