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On 08/08/2022 at 12:03 PM, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

WTF, how did that even happen

Meh, more parts at the wreckers or gumtree for me to browse through 

And the more that get written of the more mine goes up in price, and for a Commodore, that is weird, but true

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I sold my VT2 SS LS1 6spd with usual mods (headers, exhaust, intake, tune) around 8 years ago. Was on the market for 6.5k for around a year before it finally sold for $5600. Struggled to even get anyone to come look at it.  I see guys asking 15-20k for them now and most of them look clapped out compared to mine.

Ah, the times we're living in.

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The Cruise Ship is in dry dock (Autotech)

It has developed a knock in the steering, mainly on right handers, I had a look, got the shits rolling around on my back under the car without finding what is was, so sent it to Autotech so they can put it up in the air and have a good look around, I'm guessing its a rack bush

While it is there I've asked them to do the front main seal, which currently losses oil at the rate of about 1 drop per week, which is annoying.....so.......seeing though the harmonic balancer needs to be pulled.....I've asked them to fit a Melling 10296  high volume pump, because.......why not

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On 11/08/2022 at 9:44 PM, The Bogan said:

Nope, I has blower, so I don't need no stinking turbos

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well.....

 

you can haz both? supercharger with twin turbos.. will make all the right noises :D 

On 11/08/2022 at 10:09 PM, Dose Pipe Sutututu said:

We should roll race one evening for laughs at Roll Racing. We'll be the 2x slowest cars there too.

I'm always in for some fun

On 8/11/2022 at 7:15 PM, The Bogan said:

While it is there I've asked them to do the front main seal, which currently losses oil at the rate of about 1 drop per week, which is annoying.....so.......seeing though the harmonic balancer needs to be pulled.....I've asked them to fit a Melling 10296  high volume pump, because.......why not

Do not get the high volume pump - You will be just pumping oil harder into the heads and through your PCV system, and emptying your sump faster. What you want is the high PRESSURE pump. 

So yeah that's why not

I mean is it a real issue given how you use the car, no
Did you need to change the oil pump at all given that information also no

On 12/08/2022 at 9:28 AM, Kinkstaah said:

Do not get the high volume pump - You will be just pumping oil harder into the heads and through your PCV system, and emptying your sump faster. What you want is the high PRESSURE pump. 

So yeah that's why not

I mean is it a real issue given how you use the car, no
Did you need to change the oil pump at all given that information also no

I've been told that high volume pump will be advantages in it as opposed to high pressure 

Higher volume with standard pressure for modified unopened engines

Higher pressure + higher volume for built engines, dependant on clearances

Melling recommends the 10296 pump (18% increase)with standard oil pressure for the unopened high milage and/or modified LS1 that lives under 6500 rpm

 

Melling 10295: Same volume as LS1, 10% increase in pressure over LS1 based M295 oil pump.
Melling 10296: 18% increase in volume, stock pressure over M295 and 10295 oil pump.
Moroso 22120: 18% increase in volume, stock pressure over M295 and 10295 oil pump.
Melling 10355: 33% increase in volume over the 10295.
Factory GM LSA: 33% increase in volume over the 10295.
Melling 10355HV: 53% increase in volume over the 10295.

I'm confused, isn't the flow rate at a given oil pressure determined by the engine rather than the pump fitted to it? I would guess that a high flow pump will just mean more oil pressure at idle but not necessarily more oil pressure otherwise. Assuming it was already hitting the oil pressure limit for the regulator.

A higher volume (bigger) pump will "keep" the pressure up in the low RPM's, I don't need more pressure, I just need what the stock spring gives me

LS1 engines typically have minimal pressure at idle and due to the design of the pump struggle to make and keep pressure, resulting in lower than desired oil pressure at low RPM, as I'm making full boost from the minute I hit the loud pedal more volume and a better design is required to keep the stock pressure actually there

The GM LSA has a pump that runs 43% more volume because of this, no more pressure, just more volume

The issue with the OEM pump is it also cavities at higher RPM due to its design, the Melling pump has better flow paths than OEM, which stops this happening, the higher volume also can help with the cooling and valvetrain noise at low RPM

The pressure required to meet the specs comes from the clearances, if I had a sloppy built forged engine the builder would specify what pressure was needed at the bearings, which, would then mean playing with higher pressure springs as well volume, I remember Yavus from Unigroup talking about this with my old R33 when he was playing with the regulator on the Tomei high volume oil pump getting it to the pressure the builder said it needed at the bearings. ..😟...triggered......R33.....triggered.....  😟.....oil everywhere........🤯

So, for my LS1 at least, by adding a higher volume pump, with better flow paths, the stock pressure will remain stable at idle to WOT

And for around $300, it is a cheap thing to do, seeing as though the balancer is off anyway to fix the front main

Well, thats what the voices in my head say

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