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Waz, you shouldnt be talking about beating a stock VT, thats a given. Try beat a Gen3, then that will give you trouble ;)

gen3 is an engine type, so a stock V8 VT does have a gen3 under its bonnet...

not trouble, well not the ones i have 'seen'

maybe its just that the average VT driver is a bit older and not that great with the manual shifter. after all mine's an auto and easier to launch and drive consistently

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This thread is really a greed over car choice, you want to get a fast car do drag your mate. Does it really matter if you can beat your mate in a car? Maybe injuring yourself and him?

If you buy a car, especially at a young age (your first car) make sure that its not for stupidity and only for daily purpose. (I'd say get a supra, i think the power shows more towards the top speed rather then take off, so while still being a fast car not a quick takeoff that will kill you. RZ n/a for the win!) Goodluck ;)

did i say it would be standard? have you ever seen a completely standard import? my response assumed it would have an exhaust of some sort

Every car that comes in under SEVS has to be made "standard". So all R33s coming into the country now are standard.

i challenge you to find a "standar" R33 gts-t anyways.... one that has not been modified to any extent at all, that is completely and exactly the way it came from the factory...... i doubt u'd be able to do it.

mine is 95% standard, only thing changed is cat back 3" exhaust. That is it - otherwise completely stock standard. No boost changes, nothing.. no airpod..

I think you should go and test drive all the cars, work out which one you like the most.. don't buy something "just cos it goes 0.3 seconds faster".. buy it cost you like it, it's fast, it's got what you want, it's comfy.. you can always modify it later easily catching whatever other car you might have bought.

personally, I wouldn't get a supra - because for $20,000 (which an N/A '94 model is going to cost you) you can get a '96/'97 SII r33 or even a '89 R32 gtr..

that and supra's have to have the CRAPPEST boot ever made - also ppl before flaming me, I was looking at getting one of these, still think they are better looking cars.. but I can't beat my '98 gts-t.. just love it..

LOL...I know its a Skyline website but it still amuses me how people will overate standard Skylines sometimes, a standard auto GENIII VT would cream a standard auto R33 GTsT :rant:

My TJ 3.5 Auto Magna would cream a Standard R33 auto GTsT :)

Fair point but people have also underated them like yourself the skyline VT gen3 standard and GTST standard would be very close. 220kw vs 187 and the skyline has a hell of a lot less weight look up the manufactures 0-100km and 0-400m times they are very close. As for your magna auto beating an auto r33 gtst you are dreeming. I doubt you would even beat an auto GTS especialy if it had the rb25de.

For those wanting to know about completely stock GTS-Ts..I have one. No exaust, No after market filter. It did a 14.6 0-400m on a Gtech. It also has the active diff if that makes a difference? I dont know as I have never driven any other skyline. Won't be stock long though as I just bought an exaust and intercooler :uh-huh:

mine is 95% standard, only thing changed is cat back 3" exhaust. That is it - otherwise completely stock standard. No boost changes, nothing.. no airpod..

so its not stock standard then...

last time i checked, an exhaust was a modification

My gf has a R33 GTS (non turbo) 2.5litre

My old car was a VR Calais 3.8litre v6... i had exaust/air filter etc... she has exaust air filter..

My calais was a tiny bit quicker than hers from when we both gunned it, but it was pretty close , and my calais was pretty quick compared to other v6 commodores around, quicker than my parents stock VT v6 at the time.... So it would be pretty close.

Hey are you going to get the gts with the 2.5 or 2.0  

2.0 - 104 kW

2.5 - 143 kW

VT V6 commodore

3.8 - 147

I recon a R33 GTS25 would beat a VT V6 commodore they are a heavy car.

Dont forget the Torque, its not all about the Kw figure. I think the comonwhore has more torque

mine is 95% standard, only thing changed is cat back 3" exhaust. That is it - otherwise completely stock standard. No boost changes, nothing.. no airpod..

i said completely standard, not 95% standard, an exhaust is a mod, therefore it isnt standard.

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