Between R33 GTST S2 and JDM S15

[fLipKnot]

Guys, have a problem here..just need some advice..i have been waiting since June for a nice japanese performance car...i was choosing between the R33 GTS25T and the S15 JDM...right now the JDM is taking ages to come from japan. Firstly, the JDM is going to be really cheap because i am getting it from a friend in Japan who owns the JDM..however it is still going to cost more than a R33 plus i will not be able to test drive it...

I didn't want the skyline because i thought they are pretty old and might have problems...but right now..i feel that i really need a car fast because it is very inconvenient...Can someone tell me in what ways are the R33 GTS25T S2 better than the JDM S15? Thanks! please don't --> :flamer:

[ATTN]

i currently drive a series 2 skyline, its nice and all but after a while you get sick of it. im looking to buy a JDM s15 now only because its more new, interior etc.

you interested in buying my car?

Black s2 96

[MANWHORE]

It's much bigger inside. Outside is bigger too (reads wheel base wider). More weight. Therefore more stability on the freeway etc. I have had the pleasure of semi owning both cars and i'd say they are both very nice cars.

If you get a nice sII r33 that is in good condition, you most likely won't run into problems. So many people own r32s and don't have too many problems.

[fLipKnot]

well lastly it all comes down to power...the S15 is much lighter than skylines..but skylines if i'm not wrong has more power stock than the S15..i know this topic might have been covered before, i dunno how to use the search option... Is R33GTST faster than S15?

[fLipKnot]

the bad part about S15 is that it's pretty small..i'm a tall bloke at 6ft 4...i think the skyline fits me better...

[funkymonkey]

unless you get a R33 with a sunroof, autotrust on the forums owns an R33 GTSt 4 door with a sunroof, and he's around the 6'4" mark and he's constantly complaining about not being able to spike his hair, neck problems etc

[rukus]

little jap race cars are not for the tall ppl

[**JaR**]

lol agreed, unless you put the seat so far back that people are unable to sit in the backseat

[Dee 33]

I have an R33 Gts-t and my mate has a Aus S15 so when mine was stock, it was faster but your JSpec one will be faster than a stock Gts-t.

His does feel a lot lighter to drive though although less stable at high speeds. He commented how it started shaking a bit when he took it up to 180km/h and felt a little unstable whereas my 1994 R33 pulls over 200km/h without shaking one bit.

I'm a very conservative driver so there's no way I'd take my car that fast unless I felt completely safe doing so, and I do.

However, if I had the choice of car, I would go for the S15 hands down. Far far newer, and once you start modifying, from what I have heard it will be faster as well. Although you pay about 10k extra.

Keep in mind that if you're going to be modifying this car then the power advantage of JSpec over Aus S15 will not matter as the restrictive parts in the Aus S15 will be removed leaving you with pretty much the same car (Jap/Aus).

[Munna]

the bad part about S15 is that it's pretty small..i'm a tall bloke at 6ft 4...i think the skyline fits me better...

Im 6ft 3 and have a r33 no sunroof, sunroofs will give you less headroom mate. I cant fit comfortly into a 32 but my 33 is fine. I have sat in a S15 (no sunroof)at the melbourne motor show a couple of years ago and I fitted fine because the seats seem to be a lot lower in the silvias.

Both have the about the same power stock so the s15 is a bit quicker due to weight. Id test drive both cars if you can mate then make your desision.

I see the skyline as a grand tourer andt he silvia as a sports car

[fLipKnot]

what's a grand tourer??? i always see people using that phrase...

[cowie165]

I was in a mates Spec-R yesterday - I'm 6'0" and found the sunroof *just* low enough to be a pain. It was enough to turn me off one right away. I'd recommend finding one in a dealership and having a test 'sit' to see if it works for you.

Other than that, the S15 looked beautiful. Very modern inside, if you can fit inside, you'll love it. Performance is much of a muchness - choose the car you like then modify the engine/susp/whatever until it drives and performs how you like.

His does feel a lot lighter to drive though although less stable at high speeds. He commented how it started shaking a bit when he took it up to 180km/h and felt a little unstable

:werd:

[fLipKnot]

has anyone raced an S15 before?? how did you guys go?? really in a dilenma now..i'm thinking getting the cheaper R33 GTST instead of the JDM S15 and use the money saved to mod the skyline. Does this sound like a good idea?? need opinions guys..thanks

[zymotic]

If you have confidence that this S15 is a good car be patient and get that. Although S15 more $ upfront may be cheaper to modify and will go faster per mod + younger and to me look better.

[Dee 33]

Although if you'd prefer to just spend $30k and leave it at that, a modded R33 will chop the absolute crap out of the S15.

Both are great cars but they are in different price brackets. It all depends on how much you're happy spending.

[scathing]

what's a grand tourer??? i always see people using that phrase...

A grand tourer is more of a luxury sports car, rather than an all-out racer. The best term I've ever heard used for it is "gentleman's sports car". Something that's swift and enjoyable to drive in ways that your average family hack aren't, but not as visceral as a dedicated sports racer.

Think about what Jaguar and Aston Martin offer. Or the larger Ferraris (456, 550/575, etc). They're not cars you'd go attacking touge in, but if you're on a country road with lots of sweepers you can carry a fair amount of speed through them while still having a plush interior with all the creature comforts, good NVH, etc.

As such, they tend to be a bit larger. This gives them stability at higher speeds and in open flowing corners, as well as more interior room.

In that class, you'd have vehicles on the sportier end of comfort (like Skylines) or the more comfortable end of sporty (like Soarers), they're still a more enjoyable drive than a Maxima or Camry. But if you're carving through a set of hairpins cut in to the side of a mountain, you're not likely to keep up with the sporty and nimble, but far less comfortable, Silvias, MR2s and Integra Type-Rs.

[scathing]

I didn't want the skyline because i thought they are pretty old and might have problems...but right now..i feel that i really need a car fast because it is very inconvenient...Can someone tell me in what ways are the R33 GTS25T S2 better than the JDM S15? Thanks!  please don't -->  :flamer:

The R33 will be a roomier car. It'll have more space, and it should be more comfortable. The S15 gets quite cramped, especially up back.

If going at high speeds is your thing, the R33 will be more stable. The question is how often you're planning on hitting 160km/hr+. I've driven an S15 at freeway speeds and the car's fine.

I find the S15 suspension a little firmer than the R33s I've been in (stock in both cases). Depending on your requirements from a vehicle, this might matter. On less than perfect surfaces, the R33 does a better job of keeping the tyres in contact with the ground while not causing you pain.

[Munna]

A grand tourer is more of a luxury sports car, rather than an all-out racer. The best term I've ever heard used for it is "gentleman's sports car". Something that's swift and enjoyable to drive in ways that your average family hack aren't, but not as visceral as a dedicated sports racer.

Think about what Jaguar and Aston Martin offer. Or the larger Ferraris (456, 550/575, etc). They're not cars you'd go attacking touge in, but if you're on a country road with lots of sweepers you can carry a fair amount of speed through them while still having a plush interior with all the creature comforts, good NVH, etc.

As such, they tend to be a bit larger. This gives them stability at higher speeds and in open flowing corners, as well as more interior room.

In that class, you'd have vehicles on the sportier end of comfort (like Skylines) or the more comfortable end of sporty (like Soarers), they're still a more enjoyable drive than a Maxima or Camry. But if you're carving through a set of hairpins cut in to the side of a mountain, you're not likely to keep up with the sporty and nimble, but far less comfortable, Silvias, MR2s and Integra Type-Rs.

well said mate:cheers:

[lordsnipe]

I originally was after a S14 but opted out due to me not being able to fit comfortably in one. I'm around 6". Having said that, the S14 had a sunroof which was probably the issue, however they still feel quite cramped, i'd hate to have a crash in one....

The R33 is nice and comfortable to sit in, more room up front as ppl say (the back is still useless). I've heard that the S15 has a "cheap" interior which rattles to shit, and that the 6sp box isn't that great.

[scathing]

The S15 interior looks nice, but I've found it maks easily. Most of the S15s I've seen have scratches or scuffs around the shifter area, just from normal wear and tear.

The 6 speed box is OK, but it has some known issues with breaking a circlip and rendering 5th gear? (can't remember which one, but its a high gear). Since its also the same physical size as the older 'boxes, but with an extra gear, there's also less room for oil and so it does suffer more heat issues under sustained load.