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R31Nismoid Grand Master

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Either way mate, it's your $20,000.

We've given you examples of Jap Tuning house engines/parts that are meant to be "perfect" requiring more work, your choice.

However if something breaks - good luck getting any type of warranty/assitance for your "perfectly assembled" non australian company purchased motor :down:

Most engine failures are due to poor installation of parts. Stock motors die to tunes/silly behaviour, built motors generally die because of poor assembly/parts/maintenance.

Infact built motors are far more resiliant to a bad tune than a stock motor.

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Either way mate, it's your $20,000.

We've given you examples of Jap Tuning house engines/parts that are meant to be "perfect" requiring more work, your choice.

However if something breaks - good luck getting any type of warranty/assitance for your "perfectly assembled" non australian company purchased motor :)

Most engine failures are due to poor installation of parts. Stock motors die to tunes/silly behaviour, built motors generally die because of poor assembly/parts/maintenance.

Infact built motors are far more resiliant to a bad tune than a stock motor.

Agreed we strip all the "crate" motors and check over everything (especially the american stuff). I would much rather drop the money locally and do it myself but hey.

On the other hand i have a nice 'ESPIRIT' built SR20 crate motor (strip and check over, for new owner) in ATM and i must admit it is spot on 400kw, solid head is on the money (no need to touch) mains and big ends also spot on (just replace the nismo bearings as its apart).

elrodeo666 Mentor

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R31 Nismoid I think you have to put it in perspective.

Yep a few bad apples do come out of Japan, probably some young machinist more concerned on what hair gell he will put in his hair for his poofy hair style or what gay clothes he's going to buy but if Tomei was continually sending sub par engines and engine parts out they would be out of business here faster than you can blink an eye. Theres no way a company could get away with that in Japan, they'd be crucified !

I totally agree with you in that there are examples of not up to standard quality of parts that get exported. And you would have to be mad not pull en engine down and check its all together right when paying $20,000 plus !

Having just had an 2.8 engine built here on Japan by HKS , I can say that the quality of their work is second to none ! They are meticulous on their quality of work. They dont want a customer paying good money for an engine to come in and say its f@#ked due to sub par workmanship...

But..and its a big but , I live here and was able to watch over the build from day 1 to completion plus I earn yen so for me the costs were the same as if I was in Oz and getting it built by top engine builder there whilst earning aussie dollars.

I've had a few engines (V8's for Hot Rods) built in Oz in the past that have let go due to less than perfect assembly, others that seemed invincible. Other friends who have built big HP engines for drag and Hot Rods who have had them let go early, some last forever and these are no expensive engines built by top engine builders.

Thing is there is some bad apples but in Japan there's very little and those that are get smashed quickly.

The thing is I agree with you that you would have to be crazy or too much coin than sense to get something built here and not be able to check whats going on.

If I was in oz would I get another engine built by a top Jap Tuning shop..mmm probably not as there's definitely as due to the costs involved, plus I want to see where my coins going and no avenue for recourse if something did go wrong !!

I would definitely get my head work done here in Japan. The quality of work is insane, compared to oz it was cheap for labour for port and polish and they put ridiculous hrs into it to get it perfect.

I took some pics but wasnt allowed to take pics of finished job as they reckon there were some things done that are top secret .. Yeah yeah, wank wank, looked the same as any big port job..

Out of interest what would a Race Pace built 2.8 engine with same specs as the Tomei cost to build ??

Just to throw a spanner in the works to T REX... I have a New GT 500 block in storage that I would part with. Have that sent to oz, buy a 2.8 kit and get a reputable engine builder in oz to build you a pretty well bullet proof engine well block would be,. Although it will end up throwing nearly an extra $10,000 on the price tag...Food for thought

Angus Smart Grand Master

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I agree with All of you, if your here in oz get it built here. you will be paying atleast 1500aud for freight here. + if they list your motor as $20,000 apon import expect to pay more.

i've spent around 20k on a new motor here. this included bringing in a used r34 n1 motor and buying all the parts listed in my for sale thread in the signature. the work done will be top notch, and the port job should be amazing ... its taken long enough :)

not including my clutch and turbos/gearbox..

Beer Baron Grand Master

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all I'll say is that it looks like good value for $20K, but to my knowledge you need to supply them an engine first for them to strip and rebuild, so if you don't have one you'll need to check with RHD how they get around that? do you have to buy a new stock crate motor to deliver to tomei? or can you just buy a used junker and give them that etc? if it really and truly is $20K for the full motor from rocker covers to sump (and everything in between!) delivered to your door in aus with nothing else to pay for, then it's a very fair price and a good way to go.

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Having a look at the latest Tomei catalogue in my hot little hands right now the Series 2 Genesis engine is probably old stock as they have been selling the Series 3 for about 6 months now.

The series 3 complete long engine is $37,000 US and includes small partsand no trade in.

I could get you a 2.8 Step 2 or 3 built for HKS for less and include a new N1 block !

So 20 odd k for the Series 2 is a pretty good buy. Shit for the price of Jet Star ticket you could come out and inspect the thing yourself.

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Or you could buy the genuine Nismo GT500 block off me, spend $20,000 on parts and labour going nuts building the thing and have some beer money left over comapred to the price of those Series 3 engines. plus you'd own a hell of an engine!

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Infact built motors are far more resiliant to a bad tune than a stock motor.

This is not entirely true. A lot of forged pistons are more fragile than stock items and detonation will shatter them faster than cast items.

I dont think im going to go ahead with any sort of engine modification at this stage, im more likely to build a Cobra. Money much better spent.

STATUS Grand Master

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This is not entirely true. A lot of forged pistons are more fragile than stock items and detonation will shatter them faster than cast items.

I dont think im going to go ahead with any sort of engine modification at this stage, im more likely to build a Cobra. Money much better spent.

Go a GT40.

Beer Baron Grand Master

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agreed! GT40 replica is THE kit car to build. about the only thing that will burn your money quicker than modifying a GTR too...

http://www.roaringforties.com.au/

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agreed! GT40 replica is THE kit car to build. about the only thing that will burn your money quicker than modifying a GTR too...

http://www.roaringforties.com.au/

Your not wrong, 100k for one of those in base trim, imagine what the cost would be with the supercharged engine and a few options! As a comparison a good cobra kit is $15,000 for the rolling chassis including body. Just need Engine, Gearbox, shafts and all interior parts which isn't going to cost over $85,000. Crazy thing is its not hard to get a cobra to run in the 10's down the 1/4! Well i can dream for now anyway :worship:

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It was built by the previous owner of the car 'Mik' in this thread. Was put together in his garage at home back in 2005. No problems at all. Currently making 420 RWKW. Has done just on 30,000 kms now.

Engine limit Set at 8500 RPM but I try and not go over 8. N1 oil pump.

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