2008 F1 Season

[sh@un]

^ they need a spare car for victory helis

summernats-styleez; keep going until both wheels are running on the rims and the cooling system explodes

[Marco-R34GTT]

lol, who says you can't pass in modern Formula 1 cars:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=giZu7-A2yS0&...feature=related

[sh@un]

well he wouldn't have, if Shoemaker was on the right racing line into the corner

[Marco-R34GTT]

Well geezus... How far back was Montoya??? That was astounding under brakes.. Not to mention, what was really wrong with Schumi's line anyways??

[sh@un]

he was too far to the left by miles

[Marco-R34GTT]

All the more reason why Schumi should've had a better drive into the next corner... I still can't believe how far back Montoya was..

[ctjet]

a) bring back the monster

b) 3 litre 10's were the shiznit

[Beer Baron]

yep the V10 were nice. it was special hearing them in real life blasting around. although the V8s aren't/weren't exactly rubbish either...

[dezz]

Makes me miss the V10's

the 8's do sound nice, but they're no 10.

[sh@un]

Forget this 8 or 10 dross- Lets have 3.5 litre V12s back... with a 20 grand redline!

[djr81]

My personal favourite is the supercharged 1.5 litre V16 BRM. Everyone else is just pretending.

[BigDirtyJase]

the V16 was indeed powerful i was looking at the specs

Cylinders: V16

RPM: 12000

Displacement 1487.76 cc

Power 410.1 kW (549.9 bhp)

Dry sump 50 to 70 lbf/in³

135 degree V16 alloy cylinder block and crankcase. Cast iron wet liners.

Bore 49.53 mm (1.95 in)

Stroke 48.26 mm (1.90 in)

Fuel system Rolls Royce two-stage centrifugal supercharger with two 3 in (76 mm). SU carburettors. 5.7 bar maximum boost.

Fuel Petrol/alcohol fuel

Ignition Lucas coil, later four Lucas magnetos. One spark plug per cylinder

Valve gear 2 valves per cylinder @ 80 degrees with twin overhead camshafts per cylinder bank, via gear train from the centre of the crankshaft. Hairpin valve springs.

Inlet valves 1.25 in (32 mm)

Exhaust valves 1.09 in (28 mm)

Crankshaft Counterbalanced two piece with 8 plain bearings & 2 main roller bearings. (Later 10 plain bearings.)

5.7 bar of boost (82psi)...WTF

Anyhoo...I would love to see next year Webber (one that last F1 drivers I know that shaves with a set square) improves up the grid. I beleive that RBR will move up. The other thing I would like is Honda come out of the wilderness and become competitive again...what in the world happen to Honda Racing

In terms of this years championship...Hamilton was more consistant throughout the year than Massa. Hamilton had 3 non points finishes and 1 DNF where as Massa also had 3 non points finishers but 2 DNF's. IMO the turning point was the Singapore GP when Massa drove off with fuel hose still connected. I still don't know why Ferrari went to a light system instead of retaining the lollipop man (which they went to after Singapore).

Edited November 11, 2008 by BigDirtyJase

[djr81]

the V16 was indeed powerful i was looking at the specs

5.7 bar of boost (82psi)...WTF

5.7 bar - the joy of two stage compression. But remember that the compressors were centrifugal & have a think about what the torque curve would have looked like..... Anyway that BRM was a heap of sh!t, although it did have some magnificent engineering on it.

I still don't know why Ferrari went to a light system instead of retaining the lollipop man (which they went to after Singapore).

The reasoning is simple & quite compelling. One lollipop man CANNOT look at four tyre changers and the fuel hose at the same time. So inspite of all the palaver & the carry on the green light means go system is actually safer & better than a man with a lollipop.

Please note: It is particularly unsafe if it is one of the dodgy fkrs on here offering you a lollipop.

Edited November 11, 2008 by djr81

[Beer Baron]

ex ferarri employee at his new job....

[BigDirtyJase]

5.7 bar - the joy of two stage compression. But remember that the compressors were centrifugal & have a think about what the torque curve would have looked like..... Anyway that BRM was a heap of sh!t, although it did have some magnificent engineering on it.

Yeah, agreed, the joys of 50' technology, driving that '67 BRM in GPL although its not real life was an absolute pig of a car

The reasoning is simple & quite compelling. One lollipop man CANNOT look at four tyre changers and the fuel hose at the same time. So inspite of all the palaver & the carry on the green light means go system is actually safer & better than a man with a lollipop.

Please note: It is particularly unsafe if it is one of the dodgy fkrs on here offering you a lollipop.

I have to agree, one lolipop man cam't look after everything...but then again all the other teams did not have a problem with lolipop men....but i guess if its perfected then it will be a good thing...

For me I love to see F1 go back to like 1967 days where the driver drove the car (obviously with latest safety innovations)...could you imagine the carnage...but will definitely show drivers skill and qualtiy racing would most likely ensure (who knows??)

Please note: It is particularly unsafe if it is one of the dodgy fkrs on here offering you a lollipop.

lamo...enough said!

Edited November 11, 2008 by BigDirtyJase

[djr81]

Yeah, agreed, the joys of 50' technology, driving that '67 BRM in GPL although its not real life was an absolute pig of a car

Well the first 1950's era BRM was a world away from the mid 60's cars in technology & much else.

There again they are the folks who spawned a 3 litre H16 when Phil Irving was knocking out world beating V8's to go with Ron Tauranac's inspired chassis & Jack Brabham & Denny Hulmes driving. Proving that things did not have to be complicated to be right.

[sh@un]

For me I love to see F1 go back to like 1967 days where the driver drove the car (obviously with latest safety innovations)...could you imagine the carnage...but will definitely show drivers skill and qualtiy racing would most likely ensure (who knows??)

ummm- but they've already scrapped TC (thankfully), and next year we get slicks + less aero; so that will further spice things up

but what else can they do? it's not like they should go back to using manual gear selection and mechanical limos...

[Marco-R34GTT]

Dead Ringers for WDC in 2009:

Lewis (obviously, but I'm not actually going to back him to bring hom the bacon next year).

Alonso & Räikkönen will be the man contenders I reckon, Kimi back with a vengence next year. 2010 will be Massa's time again I think.

Darkhorse will be Mr. Robert Kubica, possibly Vettel is a man to watch. Depending on how the Honda's come on in 09, I think they may very well be next year's equivalent of Renault 2008..

Not a fan of the adjustable front wings... I dunno, I think they should've just cut the aero, reintroduced slicks and then play it by ear... Anyways, we will see...

Edited November 11, 2008 by Marco-R34GTT

[sh@un]

But isn't there a good possibility that the front running teams (re: McLaren, Ferrari, BMW, Toyota) wouldn't have had the time to develop all the changes for the '09 car like the teams that realised they weren't in with a chance towards the end of '08 did? I don't reckon you can say much about '09 yet...

[Marco-R34GTT]

But isn't there a good possibility that the front running teams (re: McLaren, Ferrari, BMW, Toyota) wouldn't have had the time to develop all the changes for the '09 car like the teams that realised they weren't in with a chance towards the end of '08 did? I don't reckon you can say much about '09 yet...

I'd say Toyota and Renault would be better equipt than either the Fez or the Mac, erm, I also recall something about BMW pretty much drawing the curtains on their 08 car after Montréal as to focus on the 09 car and KERS... I reckon both Ferrari and McLaren will have been wrong-footed come Melbourne next March... As you said, 'Crystal Balling' isn't going to be all that easy this time around...