Gym And Supplement Discussion

[some_cs_student]

hehe i'm cutting, but I still eat a cheeky burger or two every now and then... It doesn't really matter for me. Calories in vs calories out is more important to think about for losing weight than a high protein/low-carb diet only.

It would seem most people think they can eat as much protein and healthy fats as they want when cutting (when hungry) as long as they don't eat any carb sources.

Quote from http://thesmarterscienceofslim.com/eat-more-slim-down-and-thermodynamics/ :

Jonathan: And I think this kind of goes back to some studies we talked about earlier, even the woman’s health initiative study where we showed that in nearly 70,000 women over the course of 8 years. We had one group of women that consumed about 350,000 more calories than the other group. Using calorie math, that means they should of gained 100 more pounds. They gained less than a pound that that’s really nothing when you look over the course of 8 years. So, how is this possible, Carrie? This is mind-blowing. How can this even happen?

Calories more important?

Also are you sure you have your definition of carb sources correct?

[jangles]

Fuck I wanted to...probably should have. I can never bring myself to give other people advice at the gym though, cause I know how annoying it is when someone is trying to tell you how you should be doing things. They might not have minded being total noobs.

I usually scope it out, see how confident they are looking. Then open with 'are you open to suggestions?'

[Birds]

I usually scope it out, see how confident they are looking. Then open with 'are you open to suggestions?'

Good line! Will use that from now on.

[Trozzle]

So I ate 6 months worth of various cookies, cake, chocolate, and pizza last night. I feel terrible lol. Time for some serious squats.

[NickR33]

I never say anything to anybody... if they want advice they'd ask for it... my old man does but he's a PT so fair enough

I had a guy I've never seen do a single deadlift give advice to my wife on deadlifting... 1min after I was standing next to her helping with her set... I really felt like saying dude don't bother she probably lifts more than you anyway lol

[TM7GTR]

Quote from http://thesmartersci...thermodynamics/ :

Calories more important?

Also are you sure you have your definition of carb sources correct?

If you read my reply I said a combination of low carb + a calorie deficit of a couple hundred = fat loss.

Not sure what that link was trying to explain, but I'd love to see some proper proof of the studies (sounds like some of the test groups had a lot more to lose in the first place).

Also, not sure what you mean by "definition of carb sources correct", but I'm referring to people who avoid eating all sorts of grains, simple sugars, etc.

Edit:

Had a slightly longer read through and chuckled a bit. Of course eating more calories in higher quality food is going to lead to more fat loss than eating less shitty food. It's called a balanced diet.

Limiting calories a lot also shocks the body to retain what fat it has in more extreme cases, so I'm also not surprised if that's what they're getting on about. Can't be bothered reading.

Edited October 20, 2012 by TM7GTR

[Husky33]

can't believe they spend 8 years doing a study on something i could explain to them over dinner

[some_cs_student]

If you read my reply I said a combination of low carb + a calorie deficit of a couple hundred = fat loss.

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I read it again, from reading your original post alone I was not clear of your point of view.

Your new post makes a lot more sense

[Dani Boi]

Curious, what are your SLDL weight used vs your deadlift weight used? I've started doing SLDL's and I'm finding my working weight to be quite considerably lower than what I would use on regular deadlifts.

On a side note, having trouble keeping up with this high rep short rest time shit lol, want to go back to strength training, but I'll stick this new routine out a little while longer.

[Birds]

In what way are you finding it harder? Energy? Time? Cardio? My workout is pretty volume oriented - I'd wager that someone with slightly stronger 1RMs would have a hard time getting through it...not that their workout would be a breeze for me either. My point is, there are a thousand different ways to workout and if you haven't trained for it, it's always going to be challenging!

As for deadlifts...I started off doing SLDLs and got up to around 110-120kg x 10 on that...but recently swapped them out for regular deadlifts, and am finding the opposite to you - 90kg x 10 is comfortable, because the muscles I wasn't using for SLDL obviously have some catching up to do. That and regular deadlifts give me headspins by the 10th rep lol.

Conversely, I would say SLDL requiring more back work and a greater range of motion for that muscle group = less weight than normal deadlifts for you.

[jangles]

Yeah mine are around 30-40kg less, 170 DL, 130-140 sldl, I only do normal deads though, enjoy them more. The business next door doesn't though.

Edited October 22, 2012 by jangles

[Dani Boi]

I would say my cardiovascular health is lacking somewhat lol, short of breath etc. This routine calls for 90 second rest times 8-12 reps, I'm used to taking upwards of 5 minutes with 5 reps so it is somewhat different! But I wanted to try something new...I'll stick to it and hopefully i will hit two birds with one stone (hypertrophy and fitness). No cardio atm

Interesting that you're the opposite. Just as an example my working sets for DL was 130x5 but I only SLDL tonight 70x9 and I felt my traps giving out before my hams, maybe I'm doing something wrong

[Birds]

New Ironedge equipment at my gym! Almost makes the painful renovations worthwhile...

Made comment to the trainer on the left^ that it was a nice looking setup and should alleviate waiting times on existing squat racks...he looked at me like I was speaking another language...cert 3 douchebag.

[Mitcho_7]

Every gym should have that or at least a variation of that!

[TM7GTR]

In what way are you finding it harder? Energy? Time? Cardio? My workout is pretty volume oriented - I'd wager that someone with slightly stronger 1RMs would have a hard time getting through it...not that their workout would be a breeze for me either. My point is, there are a thousand different ways to workout and if you haven't trained for it, it's always going to be challenging!

As for deadlifts...I started off doing SLDLs and got up to around 110-120kg x 10 on that...but recently swapped them out for regular deadlifts, and am finding the opposite to you - 90kg x 10 is comfortable, because the muscles I wasn't using for SLDL obviously have some catching up to do. That and regular deadlifts give me headspins by the 10th rep lol.

Conversely, I would say SLDL requiring more back work and a greater range of motion for that muscle group = less weight than normal deadlifts for you.

My SLDL's are a fair bit stronger than my regular deads, I was doing around 145 x 6, and now I'm stuck around 130 x 3-4 on regular's because my grip always gives out..

Curious as to number of exercises, sets, and rest times of your workouts Birds?

Sounds a lot like the high volume training I do atm.

Btw, the new equipment looks sweet, I wish my gym would buy some kettlebells... Hell, we don't even have resistance bands.

Hoping a PTC Canberra is in development haha

[Birds]

My SLDL's are a fair bit stronger than my regular deads, I was doing around 145 x 6, and now I'm stuck around 130 x 3-4 on regular's because my grip always gives out..

Curious as to number of exercises, sets, and rest times of your workouts Birds?

Sounds a lot like the high volume training I do atm.

Btw, the new equipment looks sweet, I wish my gym would buy some kettlebells... Hell, we don't even have resistance bands.

Hoping a PTC Canberra is in development haha

Interesting - I find my grip lasts much longer on regular deads because of the grounding / position reset. It was always at it's limits (talking fingertips ready to drop) by the 10th rep of SLDL.

I do around 6 exercises per session, usually 6 sets of 10 reps. Rest times vary from 1-1.5 minutes for isolation or less strenuous compounds, and 2-3 minutes for the big three compound lifts.

[Mitcho_7]

Are you using a mixed grip on sldl's?

[Birds]

Pronated

[markos]

Correct strength training will keep you in good nick cardio wise

Pierre was training for Nats in 2011, lots of heavy work, mostly 5's

He then did this, squatted 60kg x 137, I doubt any fitness buffs or cardio bunnies could do that, even if they trained for it

Pierre weighed 80kg and squatted 170kg at Nats 8 weeks later, pulled over 200kg

[markos]

At the CAPO NAts 2011 in Albury, Pierre went 170/125/220 - 515kg@80kg in the Juniors

We have 4 lifters who have squatted 60kg x 100 or more reps and one female who squatted 60kg x 60 reps

All of these lifters compete at Powerlifting

Our 20 rep record is 162.5kg x 20, by an SAU forum member

Dont assume strong lifters are poor at cardio