Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

The only way to accurately measure if you've lost muscle would be dexa scans. Pretty hard to trust even an honest eye, given a 16" bicep can turn into a 15" bicep dropping from 12% to 9% bf, yet retain the same muscle tissue. Fat does make muscle look big, even if it detracts from the shape of it / look of muscle separation!

Ahh looking good in a T shirt versus looking good without the T shirt...the eternal struggle.

[markos]

Birds is pretty much 100% correct in his posts

Its why I come across as a prick, I genuinely hate what society has become.

Its superficial.

You guys are all talking about choosing. Astounds me, youre not paying attention.

Martin and Max, in my opinion, look better than anyone on this forum and I can guarantee, by their WR, can outlift them. Now I havent seen everyones physiques, so its a silly comment, but you get the jist.

If I am to have a 1000hp GTR, does it have to look like a shitter? Pretty sure it can have nice paint and wheels yet still be fast. Sure, its harder to have both, but so more satisfying.

There are only 3 rules in life

1. Be aggressive

2. Be more aggressive

3. Never be satisfied

Could my guys have achieved their physique without getting stronger? Of course

Could they lift as much and look like crap? Of course

How good though to have a brilliant physique and be stronger, I suppose it makes them the kind of guys you want to avoid at parties when your chatting up chicks

Society today is what has made these 2 standout

They would be decidedly average in the 50's through to the 70's

Nothing people do or dont do today surprises me, nothing. At 51, I reckon I've seen every example of person I never want my sons to be, in and out of the gym.

On our car forums we mock guys with NA cars that are covered in bling. Amazing.

[-FIGJAM-]

society is what society is.

since being on 5 x 5 my lifts have certainly increased, but my physique has become a lot more sloppy then it was. This is with no change to diet or other habits. I think this routine isnt intense enough, especially for someone who doesnt consider themself to be strong to begin with and require large breaks between sets.

thinking I might change it

Edit*

Have been thinking something simple, full body 3 times a week. Focusing on strength, cardiovascular health and obviously looks.

Wide grip chin ups 3 x to failure

Squats 3 x 10

Bench 3 x 10

Cable Seated Row 3 x 10

Military Press 3 x 10

SLDL 3 x 10

Under grip chin ups? 3 x to failure

Rest is a maximum of 2 minutes per set.

verdict?

Edited August 1, 2013 by -FIGJAM-

[bozodos]

It depends Markos - most people these days just want to look like Zyzz clones for example, regardless of strength or how much they can lift. sad but true.

Going to start with your program as of Issue 39 next week, still unsure on what to do on the cardio days though due to the gym not having kettlebells or the room to do things like the Farmer's Walk. Will have to devise something. Got one gym partner on board, the other is full of excuses such as not enough rest time, boring etc etc, what would "some guy in Melbourne" know bla bla bla. Can only lead a horse to water I guess.

BTW what is the difference between the IPF and GPC?

[Birds]

Birds is pretty much 100% correct in his posts

Its why I come across as a prick, I genuinely hate what society has become.

Its superficial.

You guys are all talking about choosing. Astounds me, youre not paying attention.

Martin and Max, in my opinion, look better than anyone on this forum and I can guarantee, by their WR, can outlift them. Now I havent seen everyones physiques, so its a silly comment, but you get the jist.

If I am to have a 1000hp GTR, does it have to look like a shitter? Pretty sure it can have nice paint and wheels yet still be fast. Sure, its harder to have both, but so more satisfying.

There are only 3 rules in life

1. Be aggressive

2. Be more aggressive

3. Never be satisfied

Could my guys have achieved their physique without getting stronger? Of course

Could they lift as much and look like crap? Of course

How good though to have a brilliant physique and be stronger, I suppose it makes them the kind of guys you want to avoid at parties when your chatting up chicks

Society today is what has made these 2 standout

They would be decidedly average in the 50's through to the 70's

Nothing people do or dont do today surprises me, nothing. At 51, I reckon I've seen every example of person I never want my sons to be, in and out of the gym.

On our car forums we mock guys with NA cars that are covered in bling. Amazing.

Yeah I don't entirely hate what society has become. Sucks for them, but it allows me to stand out more from the average person, with even less effort.

So I'm content with that part, but you know what properly annoys me? A good body is hard work to get, and most people know this (except those females paranoid about sprouting too much muscle). But it's not THAT hard. No, compared to all the miracle bullshit I see people slowly injecting their time, money and effort into over years and years, for little return in the way of looking, feeling or living better...it's a piece of f**kin piss.

[bozodos]

probably depends where you're starting from mate

[Birds]

Haha...not the point though, is it

Bodies are easy to change. Minds...not so.

[No Crust Racing]

FIGJAM: If it was me I'd swap out SLDL for regular DL's and ditch one of the chins for weighted dips.

My 2 cents.

[-FIGJAM-]

shit cant believe i forgot dips, hmm dips or dip machine

the second set of chins is to compliment the first (because i suck donkey at chins) also more to focus on the gun show, least thats my logical way of thinking....

[No Crust Racing]

As a former bro curler, just do normal grip weighted chins and the your guns will get enough work.

Dips on bars, no machines, weighted. Do it.

[Trozzle]

I've only just started doing weighted dips again the other day (f**king clip on my weight belt just snapped LOL) - used to manage +50kg for 8 reps, now I can only manage 10-11 reps of +30kg. FML.

[No Crust Racing]

It'll come back.

[L33SH]

It'll come back.

what he said!

I'm so excited about gym tonight, I'm getting that 45kg bench again. Did 3 reps of 45kg on decline on Wednesday, so my thinking is I can do at least one again on flat bench, I've done it before!

Trying for 60kg squat tonight too for the first time

Edited August 2, 2013 by L33SH

[-FIGJAM-]

well done Leesh

[Trozzle]

It'll come back.

Indeed it will - and the best part is I haven't actually lost any noticeable muscle size, which I'm hoping will mean I'm back to constantly overloading the muscles again even with less resistance than previously required.

Probably not how it works, but it's certainly back to being "difficult" and leaving the muscles tender again haha

[TM7GTR]

Man, I haven't been able to train for 2 weeks now due to a bad spell of tonsillitis, and I've been doing around 2 sessions a week only previously. Some sort of illness about 6 times in 8 weeks now. Having some serious withdrawals...

[L33SH]

Man, I haven't been able to train for 2 weeks now due to a bad spell of tonsillitis, and I've been doing around 2 sessions a week only previously. Some sort of illness about 6 times in 8 weeks now. Having some serious withdrawals...

sorry to hear that, hope you can get back into it asap.

[Mitcho_7]

Man, I haven't been able to train for 2 weeks now due to a bad spell of tonsillitis, and I've been doing around 2 sessions a week only previously. Some sort of illness about 6 times in 8 weeks now. Having some serious withdrawals...

I feel your pain.

I haven't been able to train properly for well over 6 weeks. Uni exams, then some weird stomach virus for about 2 weeks, then got back into it for a week and now I'm coming down with a cold.

Have gone so far backwards it aint funny.

Was squatting 140, deadlifting 170 and benching 120 (all 1rm) and now I'd be lucky to get within 20kg of any of those lifts...

[L33SH]

Sigh, couldn't get 45kg bench again, starting to really upset me

[rev210]

You can smash the 45kg L33SH . A 1rm after volume is a sure way to introduce a poor performance. Do a warm up , then the 1rm set and you have the job done.

My caution to you is that the volume routine + a meaningful high load set/s (1rm) = rotator cuff fatigue/stress and injury potential.

Just take care with the bro-press and have fun.

Edited August 2, 2013 by rev210